NEMO
2011-11-04 05:28:44 UTC
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Heinrich
2011-11-04 05:51:02 UTC
no that is the wrong conclusion you son of a bitch
Eugene Holman
2011-11-04 07:15:42 UTC
So, hondekut, what *is* the right conclusion?
Over,
Eugene Holman
Over,
Eugene Holman
Heinrich
2011-11-04 07:31:17 UTC
Post by Eugene Holman
So, hondekut, what *is* the right conclusion?
Over,
Eugene Holman
the expression is hondelul, so you failed again holman. suggest you take theSo, hondekut, what *is* the right conclusion?
Over,
Eugene Holman
ferry to the baltics and get drunk again
15 percent is anti semetic and that percentage is on the rise as for the 85
percent they were bribed by foxman and his inmates
The Peeler
2011-11-04 12:05:03 UTC
On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:31:17 +0100, Dumb Heini, the Dutch resident Nazi troll
Post by Heinrich
the expression is hondelul, so you failed again holman. suggest you take the
ferry to the baltics and get drunk again
15 percent is anti semetic and that percentage is on the rise as for the 85
percent they were bribed by foxman and his inmates
Ja, Du stinkst wie Hundekot, Dummer Heini! <G>the expression is hondelul, so you failed again holman. suggest you take the
ferry to the baltics and get drunk again
15 percent is anti semetic and that percentage is on the rise as for the 85
percent they were bribed by foxman and his inmates
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Eugene Holman
2011-11-04 12:54:14 UTC
<deletion>
It takes one to know one, Hundsfott.
I did that last week. I got my hair cut in Tallinn for €5.00.
<deletions>
Over,
Eugene Holman
It takes one to know one, Hundsfott.
I did that last week. I got my hair cut in Tallinn for €5.00.
<deletions>
Over,
Eugene Holman
The Revd
2011-11-04 12:58:34 UTC
Post by Eugene Holman
<deletion>
It takes one to know one, Hundsfott.
I did that last week. I got my hair cut in Tallinn for ¤5.00.
You were jewed, Holberg. The locals' price is only 2.00.<deletion>
It takes one to know one, Hundsfott.
I did that last week. I got my hair cut in Tallinn for ¤5.00.
The Peeler
2011-11-04 13:11:13 UTC
On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 08:58:34 -0400, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
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Post by The Revd
<BG> Prove it, idiot!Post by Eugene Holman
It takes one to know one, Hundsfott.
I did that last week. I got my hair cut in Tallinn for ¤5.00.
You were jewed, Holberg. The locals' price is only 2.00.It takes one to know one, Hundsfott.
I did that last week. I got my hair cut in Tallinn for ¤5.00.
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Eugene Holman
2011-11-04 13:37:48 UTC
<deletions>
Over,
Eugene Holman
Post by The Revd
You were jewed, Holberg. The locals' price is only 2.00.
Not in the center. And the prices are posted.You were jewed, Holberg. The locals' price is only 2.00.
Over,
Eugene Holman
The Revd
2011-11-04 17:39:54 UTC
Post by Eugene Holman
<deletions>
Locals always get better prices. Even in the centre.<deletions>
Post by The Revd
You were jewed, Holberg. The locals' price is only 2.00.
Not in the center. And the prices are posted.You were jewed, Holberg. The locals' price is only 2.00.
The Peeler
2011-11-04 18:40:03 UTC
On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 13:39:54 -0400, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
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Post by The Revd
Locals always get better prices. Even in the centre.
<BG> Post proof, you blithering idiot! Of course you CAN'T ...as usual!Locals always get better prices. Even in the centre.
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Eugene Holman
2011-11-07 07:12:39 UTC
Post by The Revd
Since I have been frequenting the same Tallinn barbershop for years andPost by Eugene Holman
<deletions>
Locals always get better prices. Even in the centre.<deletions>
Post by The Revd
You were jewed, Holberg. The locals' price is only 2.00.
Not in the center. And the prices are posted.You were jewed, Holberg. The locals' price is only 2.00.
speak the local language, there is no reason for the barbers, many of whom
recognize me enough to greet me when I enter the establishment, to think
that I am anything but a local.
Over,
Eugene Holman
The Revd
2011-11-07 11:20:42 UTC
Post by Eugene Holman
speak the local language, there is no reason for the barbers, many of whom
recognize me enough to greet me when I enter the establishment, to think
that I am anything but a local.
They can tell by your accent, clothes, bearing etc that you arePost by The Revd
Since I have been frequenting the same Tallinn barbershop for years andPost by Eugene Holman
<deletions>
Locals always get better prices. Even in the centre.<deletions>
Post by The Revd
You were jewed, Holberg. The locals' price is only 2.00.
Not in the center. And the prices are posted.You were jewed, Holberg. The locals' price is only 2.00.
speak the local language, there is no reason for the barbers, many of whom
recognize me enough to greet me when I enter the establishment, to think
that I am anything but a local.
anything but a local, Holstein.
The Peeler
2011-11-07 11:36:19 UTC
On Mon, 07 Nov 2011 06:20:42 -0500, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
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that you are a complete idiot and psycho, The Rectum!
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Post by The Revd
anything but a local, Holstein.
Everyone can certainly tell by your talk, your reactions and your behaviour,Post by Eugene Holman
Since I have been frequenting the same Tallinn barbershop for years and
speak the local language, there is no reason for the barbers, many of whom
recognize me enough to greet me when I enter the establishment, to think
that I am anything but a local.
They can tell by your accent, clothes, bearing etc that you areSince I have been frequenting the same Tallinn barbershop for years and
speak the local language, there is no reason for the barbers, many of whom
recognize me enough to greet me when I enter the establishment, to think
that I am anything but a local.
anything but a local, Holstein.
that you are a complete idiot and psycho, The Rectum!
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Quotes about The Rectum:
Jimbo: "You're an abortion that should have happened."
Attila: "Are you a corpse that has not died yet?"
Virgil: "The world would be a better place if we could go
back in time and abort some idiots like formby before they were hatched."
Ejercito:"If he believed in racial hygiene, he would gas himself."
Ray Fischer: "We're not interested in your sexual fantasies, pervert."
Doug: "Pitiful diarrhea is the Revd's real name."
The Chief Instigator: "You've all the strength of wet toilet paper."
W.T.S.: "You are a liar. You are an obvious liar. You are a liar who has no
talent for making a lie believable."
Doug: "Your posts are nothing but written diarrhea."
Eugene Holman
2011-11-07 16:37:50 UTC
<deletions>
from other parts of Estonia and abroad, who have settled and are thus
locals. Since I have been using the same barber shop on a regular basis
for more than ten years there is no reason for the staff to regard me as
anything but either a local or a very frequent visitor. Since I speak both
local languages, their most likely hypothesis is that I live there.
Over,
Eugene Holman
Post by The Revd
anything but a local, Holstein.
Tallinn is a cosmopolitan city with many diplomats and immigrants, bothPost by Eugene Holman
Since I have been frequenting the same Tallinn barbershop for years and
speak the local language, there is no reason for the barbers, many of whom
recognize me enough to greet me when I enter the establishment, to think
that I am anything but a local.
They can tell by your accent, clothes, bearing etc that you areSince I have been frequenting the same Tallinn barbershop for years and
speak the local language, there is no reason for the barbers, many of whom
recognize me enough to greet me when I enter the establishment, to think
that I am anything but a local.
anything but a local, Holstein.
from other parts of Estonia and abroad, who have settled and are thus
locals. Since I have been using the same barber shop on a regular basis
for more than ten years there is no reason for the staff to regard me as
anything but either a local or a very frequent visitor. Since I speak both
local languages, their most likely hypothesis is that I live there.
Over,
Eugene Holman
The Revd
2011-11-07 21:30:35 UTC
Post by Eugene Holman
<deletions>
from other parts of Estonia and abroad, who have settled and are thus
locals. Since I have been using the same barber shop on a regular basis
for more than ten years there is no reason for the staff to regard me as
anything but either a local or a very frequent visitor. Since I speak both
local languages, their most likely hypothesis is that I live there.
You may think so, Holstein, but they don't. They saw you coming!<deletions>
Post by The Revd
anything but a local, Holstein.
Tallinn is a cosmopolitan city with many diplomats and immigrants, bothPost by Eugene Holman
Since I have been frequenting the same Tallinn barbershop for years and
speak the local language, there is no reason for the barbers, many of whom
recognize me enough to greet me when I enter the establishment, to think
that I am anything but a local.
They can tell by your accent, clothes, bearing etc that you areSince I have been frequenting the same Tallinn barbershop for years and
speak the local language, there is no reason for the barbers, many of whom
recognize me enough to greet me when I enter the establishment, to think
that I am anything but a local.
anything but a local, Holstein.
from other parts of Estonia and abroad, who have settled and are thus
locals. Since I have been using the same barber shop on a regular basis
for more than ten years there is no reason for the staff to regard me as
anything but either a local or a very frequent visitor. Since I speak both
local languages, their most likely hypothesis is that I live there.
The Peeler
2011-11-07 22:00:19 UTC
On Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:30:35 -0500, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
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Post by The Revd
Forever stuck within your psychopathic "mind", eh, The Rectum? LOLPost by Eugene Holman
Tallinn is a cosmopolitan city with many diplomats and immigrants, both
from other parts of Estonia and abroad, who have settled and are thus
locals. Since I have been using the same barber shop on a regular basis
for more than ten years there is no reason for the staff to regard me as
anything but either a local or a very frequent visitor. Since I speak both
local languages, their most likely hypothesis is that I live there.
You may think so, Holstein, but they don't. They saw you coming!Tallinn is a cosmopolitan city with many diplomats and immigrants, both
from other parts of Estonia and abroad, who have settled and are thus
locals. Since I have been using the same barber shop on a regular basis
for more than ten years there is no reason for the staff to regard me as
anything but either a local or a very frequent visitor. Since I speak both
local languages, their most likely hypothesis is that I live there.
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Eugene Holman
2011-11-08 08:05:57 UTC
<deletions>
Over,
Eugen Holman
Post by The Revd
They did indeed. A regular customer who tips 20%.Post by Eugene Holman
Tallinn is a cosmopolitan city with many diplomats and immigrants, both
from other parts of Estonia and abroad, who have settled and are thus
locals. Since I have been using the same barber shop on a regular basis
for more than ten years there is no reason for the staff to regard me as
anything but either a local or a very frequent visitor. Since I speak both
local languages, their most likely hypothesis is that I live there.
You may think so, Holstein, but they don't. They saw you coming!Tallinn is a cosmopolitan city with many diplomats and immigrants, both
from other parts of Estonia and abroad, who have settled and are thus
locals. Since I have been using the same barber shop on a regular basis
for more than ten years there is no reason for the staff to regard me as
anything but either a local or a very frequent visitor. Since I speak both
local languages, their most likely hypothesis is that I live there.
Over,
Eugen Holman
Heinrich
2011-11-08 08:08:22 UTC
<deletions>
Over,
Eugen Holman
tipping 20 percent? that makes you an idiot holman
Post by The Revd
They did indeed. A regular customer who tips 20%.Post by Eugene Holman
Tallinn is a cosmopolitan city with many diplomats and immigrants, both
from other parts of Estonia and abroad, who have settled and are thus
locals. Since I have been using the same barber shop on a regular basis
for more than ten years there is no reason for the staff to regard me as
anything but either a local or a very frequent visitor. Since I speak both
local languages, their most likely hypothesis is that I live there.
You may think so, Holstein, but they don't. They saw you coming!Tallinn is a cosmopolitan city with many diplomats and immigrants, both
from other parts of Estonia and abroad, who have settled and are thus
locals. Since I have been using the same barber shop on a regular basis
for more than ten years there is no reason for the staff to regard me as
anything but either a local or a very frequent visitor. Since I speak both
local languages, their most likely hypothesis is that I live there.
Over,
Eugen Holman
tipping 20 percent? that makes you an idiot holman
Eugene Holman
2011-11-08 09:58:50 UTC
<deletions>
Twenty per cent of €5 is €1. I can afford to do that. Most Estonians make
less than €800/month.
Over,
Eugene Holman
Twenty per cent of €5 is €1. I can afford to do that. Most Estonians make
less than €800/month.
Over,
Eugene Holman
The Revd
2011-11-08 10:48:56 UTC
Post by Eugene Holman
<deletions>
Twenty per cent of ¤5 is ¤1. I can afford to do that. Most Estonians make
less than ¤800/month.
Which is why they never tip 20%. Duh.<deletions>
Twenty per cent of ¤5 is ¤1. I can afford to do that. Most Estonians make
less than ¤800/month.
The Peeler
2011-11-08 12:16:54 UTC
On Tue, 08 Nov 2011 05:48:56 -0500, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
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sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
Post by The Revd
Prove it, you endlessly blathering idiot!Post by Eugene Holman
Twenty per cent of ¤5 is ¤1. I can afford to do that. Most Estonians make
less than ¤800/month.
Which is why they never tip 20%. Duh.Twenty per cent of ¤5 is ¤1. I can afford to do that. Most Estonians make
less than ¤800/month.
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Eugene Holman
2011-11-09 05:04:18 UTC
Post by The Revd
Actually, tipping between 10 and 20 for services is quite the norm inPost by Eugene Holman
<deletions>
Twenty per cent of €5 is €1. I can afford to do that. Most Estonians make
less than €800/month.
Which is why they never tip 20%. Duh.<deletions>
Twenty per cent of €5 is €1. I can afford to do that. Most Estonians make
less than €800/month.
Estonia. Unlike most Western European countries, Estonian restaurants,
beauty parlors, barber shops, etc. have no automatic service charge. Cash
register receipts and restaurant checks have "Arve ei sisalda teenistust"
= 'The bill/check does not include service') prominently printed on them.
Over,
Eugene Holman
The Revd
2011-11-09 10:06:21 UTC
Post by Eugene Holman
Estonia. Unlike most Western European countries, Estonian restaurants,
beauty parlors, barber shops, etc. have no automatic service charge. Cash
register receipts and restaurant checks have "Arve ei sisalda teenistust"
= 'The bill/check does not include service') prominently printed on them.
How can an Estonian making less than 800 a month afford a 20% tip?Post by The Revd
Actually, tipping between 10 and 20 for services is quite the norm inPost by Eugene Holman
<deletions>
Twenty per cent of ¤5 is ¤1. I can afford to do that. Most Estonians make
less than ¤800/month.
Which is why they never tip 20%. Duh.<deletions>
Twenty per cent of ¤5 is ¤1. I can afford to do that. Most Estonians make
less than ¤800/month.
Estonia. Unlike most Western European countries, Estonian restaurants,
beauty parlors, barber shops, etc. have no automatic service charge. Cash
register receipts and restaurant checks have "Arve ei sisalda teenistust"
= 'The bill/check does not include service') prominently printed on them.
Eugene Holman
2011-11-09 10:55:57 UTC
<deletions>
2. People who eat in restaurants, have their hair cut or styled at barber
shops or beauty parlors, or use taxis all know that they are expected to
leave a tip, just as is the case in the US.
3. Twenty per cent of €5 is €1. That is a little or a lot, depending on
how you think about it.
4. Estonia chose a US-style minimum wage regime for many service workers;
their wages are so low that they could not survive without the tips.
People who use these services are aware of this reality and tip
accordingly.
Finland has a different system. Service workers are unionized and consider
giving proper service to be a part of their professional profile- Their
wages are high enough for service personnel not to need or expect tips.
Consider the following:
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/10/13/san-francisco-restaurants-want-to-make-25-standard-tip-rate/
<quote>
San Francisco Restaurant Workers Want To Make 25% Standard Tip Rate
October 13, 2011 3:40 PM
<deletions>
SAN FRANCISCO (CBS SF/99.7 Now) It¹s a question many of us ask when we
go out to a restaurant. ³How much should I tip?² Whether your service is
good or bad, some San Francisco restaurant workers want to implement a 25%
standard tip onto your bill for you, according to an article in the Contra
Costa Times.
Is this fair? Some in the food industry say ³yes, it¹s about time.²
However, many ³foodies² are not as happy with the idea. According to the
Times, for the most part, people, on average tip between 15% 20% and the
restaurant worker actually has to claim 15% with the IRS.
Those opposed to the increase noted in the article that ³the whole purpose
of a tip is to reward service.² They feel the new tip increase should be
earned and if more is needed, then they must step up their service so that
the increase justifies a larger tip amount.
Jeffrey Pollack, a spokesperson for the Fisherman¹s Wharf Restaurant
Association, told CBS San Francisco that most restaurant owners ³would not
support mandatory tips² and certainly not 25%. He said such a move would
be bad for business by discouraging locals from dining out and would harm
tourism to the city as well.
Not everyone is against the idea though. Some consumers told the Mercury
News that they feel with the state of the nation¹s economy is in, that 25%
is not unreasonable, and some tip above the average already. Some people
went a step further to say if you want to reward service, you must start
tipping the workers at fast food places as well. Most fast food workers
earn minimum wage and rarely get tips.
</quote>
Over,
Eugene Holman
Post by The Revd
1. Not all Estonians make less than €800 a month.Post by Eugene Holman
Actually, tipping between 10 and 20 for services is quite the norm in
Estonia. Unlike most Western European countries, Estonian restaurants,
beauty parlors, barber shops, etc. have no automatic service charge. Cash
register receipts and restaurant checks have "Arve ei sisalda teenistust"
= 'The bill/check does not include service') prominently printed on them.
How can an Estonian making less than 800 a month afford a 20% tip?Actually, tipping between 10 and 20 for services is quite the norm in
Estonia. Unlike most Western European countries, Estonian restaurants,
beauty parlors, barber shops, etc. have no automatic service charge. Cash
register receipts and restaurant checks have "Arve ei sisalda teenistust"
= 'The bill/check does not include service') prominently printed on them.
2. People who eat in restaurants, have their hair cut or styled at barber
shops or beauty parlors, or use taxis all know that they are expected to
leave a tip, just as is the case in the US.
3. Twenty per cent of €5 is €1. That is a little or a lot, depending on
how you think about it.
4. Estonia chose a US-style minimum wage regime for many service workers;
their wages are so low that they could not survive without the tips.
People who use these services are aware of this reality and tip
accordingly.
Finland has a different system. Service workers are unionized and consider
giving proper service to be a part of their professional profile- Their
wages are high enough for service personnel not to need or expect tips.
Consider the following:
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/10/13/san-francisco-restaurants-want-to-make-25-standard-tip-rate/
<quote>
San Francisco Restaurant Workers Want To Make 25% Standard Tip Rate
October 13, 2011 3:40 PM
<deletions>
SAN FRANCISCO (CBS SF/99.7 Now) It¹s a question many of us ask when we
go out to a restaurant. ³How much should I tip?² Whether your service is
good or bad, some San Francisco restaurant workers want to implement a 25%
standard tip onto your bill for you, according to an article in the Contra
Costa Times.
Is this fair? Some in the food industry say ³yes, it¹s about time.²
However, many ³foodies² are not as happy with the idea. According to the
Times, for the most part, people, on average tip between 15% 20% and the
restaurant worker actually has to claim 15% with the IRS.
Those opposed to the increase noted in the article that ³the whole purpose
of a tip is to reward service.² They feel the new tip increase should be
earned and if more is needed, then they must step up their service so that
the increase justifies a larger tip amount.
Jeffrey Pollack, a spokesperson for the Fisherman¹s Wharf Restaurant
Association, told CBS San Francisco that most restaurant owners ³would not
support mandatory tips² and certainly not 25%. He said such a move would
be bad for business by discouraging locals from dining out and would harm
tourism to the city as well.
Not everyone is against the idea though. Some consumers told the Mercury
News that they feel with the state of the nation¹s economy is in, that 25%
is not unreasonable, and some tip above the average already. Some people
went a step further to say if you want to reward service, you must start
tipping the workers at fast food places as well. Most fast food workers
earn minimum wage and rarely get tips.
</quote>
Over,
Eugene Holman
The Revd
2011-11-09 10:57:46 UTC
Post by Eugene Holman
<deletions>
2. People who eat in restaurants, have their hair cut or styled at barber
shops or beauty parlors, or use taxis all know that they are expected to
leave a tip, just as is the case in the US.
3. Twenty per cent of ¤5 is ¤1. That is a little or a lot, depending on
how you think about it.
4. Estonia chose a US-style minimum wage regime for many service workers;
their wages are so low that they could not survive without the tips.
People who use these services are aware of this reality and tip
accordingly.
Finland has a different system. Service workers are unionized and consider
giving proper service to be a part of their professional profile- Their
wages are high enough for service personnel not to need or expect tips.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/10/13/san-francisco-restaurants-want-to-make-25-standard-tip-rate/
<quote>
San Francisco Restaurant Workers Want To Make 25% Standard Tip Rate
October 13, 2011 3:40 PM
<deletions>
SAN FRANCISCO (CBS SF/99.7 Now) It¹s a question many of us ask when we
go out to a restaurant. ³How much should I tip?² Whether your service is
good or bad, some San Francisco restaurant workers want to implement a 25%
standard tip onto your bill for you, according to an article in the Contra
Costa Times.
Is this fair? Some in the food industry say ³yes, it¹s about time.²
However, many ³foodies² are not as happy with the idea. According to the
Times, for the most part, people, on average tip between 15% 20% and the
restaurant worker actually has to claim 15% with the IRS.
Those opposed to the increase noted in the article that ³the whole purpose
of a tip is to reward service.² They feel the new tip increase should be
earned and if more is needed, then they must step up their service so that
the increase justifies a larger tip amount.
Jeffrey Pollack, a spokesperson for the Fisherman¹s Wharf Restaurant
Association, told CBS San Francisco that most restaurant owners ³would not
support mandatory tips² and certainly not 25%. He said such a move would
be bad for business by discouraging locals from dining out and would harm
tourism to the city as well.
Not everyone is against the idea though. Some consumers told the Mercury
News that they feel with the state of the nation¹s economy is in, that 25%
is not unreasonable, and some tip above the average already. Some people
went a step further to say if you want to reward service, you must start
tipping the workers at fast food places as well. Most fast food workers
earn minimum wage and rarely get tips.
</quote>
All very interesting, Holstein, but I still maintain that they can<deletions>
Post by The Revd
1. Not all Estonians make less than ¤800 a month.Post by Eugene Holman
Actually, tipping between 10 and 20 for services is quite the norm in
Estonia. Unlike most Western European countries, Estonian restaurants,
beauty parlors, barber shops, etc. have no automatic service charge. Cash
register receipts and restaurant checks have "Arve ei sisalda teenistust"
= 'The bill/check does not include service') prominently printed on them.
How can an Estonian making less than 800 a month afford a 20% tip?Actually, tipping between 10 and 20 for services is quite the norm in
Estonia. Unlike most Western European countries, Estonian restaurants,
beauty parlors, barber shops, etc. have no automatic service charge. Cash
register receipts and restaurant checks have "Arve ei sisalda teenistust"
= 'The bill/check does not include service') prominently printed on them.
2. People who eat in restaurants, have their hair cut or styled at barber
shops or beauty parlors, or use taxis all know that they are expected to
leave a tip, just as is the case in the US.
3. Twenty per cent of ¤5 is ¤1. That is a little or a lot, depending on
how you think about it.
4. Estonia chose a US-style minimum wage regime for many service workers;
their wages are so low that they could not survive without the tips.
People who use these services are aware of this reality and tip
accordingly.
Finland has a different system. Service workers are unionized and consider
giving proper service to be a part of their professional profile- Their
wages are high enough for service personnel not to need or expect tips.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/10/13/san-francisco-restaurants-want-to-make-25-standard-tip-rate/
<quote>
San Francisco Restaurant Workers Want To Make 25% Standard Tip Rate
October 13, 2011 3:40 PM
<deletions>
SAN FRANCISCO (CBS SF/99.7 Now) It¹s a question many of us ask when we
go out to a restaurant. ³How much should I tip?² Whether your service is
good or bad, some San Francisco restaurant workers want to implement a 25%
standard tip onto your bill for you, according to an article in the Contra
Costa Times.
Is this fair? Some in the food industry say ³yes, it¹s about time.²
However, many ³foodies² are not as happy with the idea. According to the
Times, for the most part, people, on average tip between 15% 20% and the
restaurant worker actually has to claim 15% with the IRS.
Those opposed to the increase noted in the article that ³the whole purpose
of a tip is to reward service.² They feel the new tip increase should be
earned and if more is needed, then they must step up their service so that
the increase justifies a larger tip amount.
Jeffrey Pollack, a spokesperson for the Fisherman¹s Wharf Restaurant
Association, told CBS San Francisco that most restaurant owners ³would not
support mandatory tips² and certainly not 25%. He said such a move would
be bad for business by discouraging locals from dining out and would harm
tourism to the city as well.
Not everyone is against the idea though. Some consumers told the Mercury
News that they feel with the state of the nation¹s economy is in, that 25%
is not unreasonable, and some tip above the average already. Some people
went a step further to say if you want to reward service, you must start
tipping the workers at fast food places as well. Most fast food workers
earn minimum wage and rarely get tips.
</quote>
readily identify you as an outsider.
Heinrich
2011-11-09 11:33:50 UTC
Post by Eugene Holman
<deletions>
2. People who eat in restaurants, have their hair cut or styled at barber
shops or beauty parlors, or use taxis all know that they are expected to
leave a tip, just as is the case in the US.
3. Twenty per cent of ¤5 is ¤1. That is a little or a lot, depending on
how you think about it.
4. Estonia chose a US-style minimum wage regime for many service workers;
their wages are so low that they could not survive without the tips.
People who use these services are aware of this reality and tip
accordingly.
Finland has a different system. Service workers are unionized and consider
giving proper service to be a part of their professional profile- Their
wages are high enough for service personnel not to need or expect tips.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/10/13/san-francisco-restaurants-want-to-make-25-standard-tip-rate/
<quote>
San Francisco Restaurant Workers Want To Make 25% Standard Tip Rate
October 13, 2011 3:40 PM
<deletions>
SAN FRANCISCO (CBS SF/99.7 Now) It¹s a question many of us ask when we
go out to a restaurant. ³How much should I tip?² Whether your service is
good or bad, some San Francisco restaurant workers want to implement a 25%
standard tip onto your bill for you, according to an article in the Contra
Costa Times.
Is this fair? Some in the food industry say ³yes, it¹s about time.²
However, many ³foodies² are not as happy with the idea. According to the
Times, for the most part, people, on average tip between 15% 20% and the
restaurant worker actually has to claim 15% with the IRS.
Those opposed to the increase noted in the article that ³the whole purpose
of a tip is to reward service.² They feel the new tip increase should be
earned and if more is needed, then they must step up their service so that
the increase justifies a larger tip amount.
Jeffrey Pollack, a spokesperson for the Fisherman¹s Wharf Restaurant
Association, told CBS San Francisco that most restaurant owners ³would not
support mandatory tips² and certainly not 25%. He said such a move would
be bad for business by discouraging locals from dining out and would harm
tourism to the city as well.
Not everyone is against the idea though. Some consumers told the Mercury
News that they feel with the state of the nation¹s economy is in, that 25%
is not unreasonable, and some tip above the average already. Some people
went a step further to say if you want to reward service, you must start
tipping the workers at fast food places as well. Most fast food workers
earn minimum wage and rarely get tips.
</quote>
All very interesting, Holstein, but I still maintain that they can<deletions>
Post by The Revd
1. Not all Estonians make less than ¤800 a month.Post by Eugene Holman
Actually, tipping between 10 and 20 for services is quite the norm in
Estonia. Unlike most Western European countries, Estonian restaurants,
beauty parlors, barber shops, etc. have no automatic service charge. Cash
register receipts and restaurant checks have "Arve ei sisalda teenistust"
= 'The bill/check does not include service') prominently printed on them.
How can an Estonian making less than 800 a month afford a 20% tip?Actually, tipping between 10 and 20 for services is quite the norm in
Estonia. Unlike most Western European countries, Estonian restaurants,
beauty parlors, barber shops, etc. have no automatic service charge. Cash
register receipts and restaurant checks have "Arve ei sisalda teenistust"
= 'The bill/check does not include service') prominently printed on them.
2. People who eat in restaurants, have their hair cut or styled at barber
shops or beauty parlors, or use taxis all know that they are expected to
leave a tip, just as is the case in the US.
3. Twenty per cent of ¤5 is ¤1. That is a little or a lot, depending on
how you think about it.
4. Estonia chose a US-style minimum wage regime for many service workers;
their wages are so low that they could not survive without the tips.
People who use these services are aware of this reality and tip
accordingly.
Finland has a different system. Service workers are unionized and consider
giving proper service to be a part of their professional profile- Their
wages are high enough for service personnel not to need or expect tips.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/10/13/san-francisco-restaurants-want-to-make-25-standard-tip-rate/
<quote>
San Francisco Restaurant Workers Want To Make 25% Standard Tip Rate
October 13, 2011 3:40 PM
<deletions>
SAN FRANCISCO (CBS SF/99.7 Now) It¹s a question many of us ask when we
go out to a restaurant. ³How much should I tip?² Whether your service is
good or bad, some San Francisco restaurant workers want to implement a 25%
standard tip onto your bill for you, according to an article in the Contra
Costa Times.
Is this fair? Some in the food industry say ³yes, it¹s about time.²
However, many ³foodies² are not as happy with the idea. According to the
Times, for the most part, people, on average tip between 15% 20% and the
restaurant worker actually has to claim 15% with the IRS.
Those opposed to the increase noted in the article that ³the whole purpose
of a tip is to reward service.² They feel the new tip increase should be
earned and if more is needed, then they must step up their service so that
the increase justifies a larger tip amount.
Jeffrey Pollack, a spokesperson for the Fisherman¹s Wharf Restaurant
Association, told CBS San Francisco that most restaurant owners ³would not
support mandatory tips² and certainly not 25%. He said such a move would
be bad for business by discouraging locals from dining out and would harm
tourism to the city as well.
Not everyone is against the idea though. Some consumers told the Mercury
News that they feel with the state of the nation¹s economy is in, that 25%
is not unreasonable, and some tip above the average already. Some people
went a step further to say if you want to reward service, you must start
tipping the workers at fast food places as well. Most fast food workers
earn minimum wage and rarely get tips.
</quote>
readily identify you as an outsider.
big deal, he is black
The Peeler
2011-11-09 12:08:20 UTC
On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:33:50 +0100, Dumb Heini, the Dutch resident Nazi troll
as plain idiots! <BG>
Post by The Revd
All very interesting, Holstein, but I still maintain that they can
readily identify you as an outsider.
big deal, he is black
I bet, even the barbers in Finland can readily identify you and The RectumAll very interesting, Holstein, but I still maintain that they can
readily identify you as an outsider.
big deal, he is black
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2011-11-09 12:12:40 UTC
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 05:57:46 -0500, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
IDIOT, The Rectum! <BG>
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
Post by The Revd
readily identify you as an outsider.
You can "maintain" anything, with the proviso added that you are a certifiedPost by Eugene Holman
tipping the workers at fast food places as well. Most fast food workers
earn minimum wage and rarely get tips.
</quote>
All very interesting, Holstein, but I still maintain that they cantipping the workers at fast food places as well. Most fast food workers
earn minimum wage and rarely get tips.
</quote>
readily identify you as an outsider.
IDIOT, The Rectum! <BG>
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Eugene Holman
2011-11-09 15:16:42 UTC
<deletions>
frequenting the same place on a regular basis for the past ten years, he
obviously has some ties to the place, all the more so if he speaks both
local languages.
Tallinn is is only 80 kilometers and a 90 min./€27 round trip from
Helsinki, so both cities are virtually outlying suburbs of each other. In
that sense, I could be considered as a local from a remote suburb who
occasionally visits another one.
As to my appearance, yes I do belong to a visible minority, but there are
local residents representing visible minorities in both Helsinki
(thousands) and Tallinn (hundreds and rapidly increasing). Being a member
of a visible minority does not necessarily identify a person as an
outsider (Miss Finland 1996 was a Finnish-born woman of partial Nigerian
background), since both cities have long had visible minority populations
that were born there and speak the local languages. Both societies are
inclusive: they regard anyone who speaks one of the local non
international languages, that is to say Finnish and Estonian, as an
insider. Speaking the minority languages, the variety of Swedish spoken in
Finland (quite distinct from the Swedish of Sweden), and the Baltic
variety of Russian (increasingly distinct from the Russian of Russia),
marks you even more as a local. In Estonia, language laws require that
public encounters be initiated in Estonian, after which the interlocutors
can negotiate whatlanguage to continue speaking. The fact that I am aware
of this legislation and always greet the barber in Estonian but negotiate
about whether we will continue in Russian or Estonian (most of the barbers
at the shop that I frequent are Russian speakers), also marks me as
someone quite familiar with and able to function within the local culture,
that is to say, as more an insider than an outsider.
I moved to Helsinki in 1966 and first visited Tallinn in that year as
well. Since the collapse of the USSR in 1991 I have been visiting Tallinn
about once a month for both business and pleasure (theater and concerts
more to my taste and cheaper than what is available in Helsinki). I am
co-owner of an Estonian company and have worked in Estonia as a teacher,
translator, interpreter, and editor. I have been speaking Swedish,
Russian, and Finnish since 1962, and began studying Estonian in earnest in
1966. I thus have close to fifty years of hands-on experience using the
two local languages of Helsinki (Finnish and Finland-Swedish) and of
Tallinn (Estonian and Russian), and have earned a substantial amount of
the income I have earned in the two countries due to my ability to speak,
write, translate between, and interpret between the four as well as
English.
I rest my case.
Over,
Eugene Holman
Post by The Revd
All very interesting, Holstein, but I still maintain that they can
readily identify you as an outsider.
It all depends on what you men by outsider. If someone has beenAll very interesting, Holstein, but I still maintain that they can
readily identify you as an outsider.
frequenting the same place on a regular basis for the past ten years, he
obviously has some ties to the place, all the more so if he speaks both
local languages.
Tallinn is is only 80 kilometers and a 90 min./€27 round trip from
Helsinki, so both cities are virtually outlying suburbs of each other. In
that sense, I could be considered as a local from a remote suburb who
occasionally visits another one.
As to my appearance, yes I do belong to a visible minority, but there are
local residents representing visible minorities in both Helsinki
(thousands) and Tallinn (hundreds and rapidly increasing). Being a member
of a visible minority does not necessarily identify a person as an
outsider (Miss Finland 1996 was a Finnish-born woman of partial Nigerian
background), since both cities have long had visible minority populations
that were born there and speak the local languages. Both societies are
inclusive: they regard anyone who speaks one of the local non
international languages, that is to say Finnish and Estonian, as an
insider. Speaking the minority languages, the variety of Swedish spoken in
Finland (quite distinct from the Swedish of Sweden), and the Baltic
variety of Russian (increasingly distinct from the Russian of Russia),
marks you even more as a local. In Estonia, language laws require that
public encounters be initiated in Estonian, after which the interlocutors
can negotiate whatlanguage to continue speaking. The fact that I am aware
of this legislation and always greet the barber in Estonian but negotiate
about whether we will continue in Russian or Estonian (most of the barbers
at the shop that I frequent are Russian speakers), also marks me as
someone quite familiar with and able to function within the local culture,
that is to say, as more an insider than an outsider.
I moved to Helsinki in 1966 and first visited Tallinn in that year as
well. Since the collapse of the USSR in 1991 I have been visiting Tallinn
about once a month for both business and pleasure (theater and concerts
more to my taste and cheaper than what is available in Helsinki). I am
co-owner of an Estonian company and have worked in Estonia as a teacher,
translator, interpreter, and editor. I have been speaking Swedish,
Russian, and Finnish since 1962, and began studying Estonian in earnest in
1966. I thus have close to fifty years of hands-on experience using the
two local languages of Helsinki (Finnish and Finland-Swedish) and of
Tallinn (Estonian and Russian), and have earned a substantial amount of
the income I have earned in the two countries due to my ability to speak,
write, translate between, and interpret between the four as well as
English.
I rest my case.
Over,
Eugene Holman
Heinrich
2011-11-09 15:21:26 UTC
<deletions>
frequenting the same place on a regular basis for the past ten years, he
obviously has some ties to the place, all the more so if he speaks both
local languages.
Tallinn is is only 80 kilometers and a 90 min./¤27 round trip from
Helsinki, so both cities are virtually outlying suburbs of each other. In
that sense, I could be considered as a local from a remote suburb who
occasionally visits another one.
As to my appearance, yes I do belong to a visible minority, but there are
local residents representing visible minorities in both Helsinki
(thousands) and Tallinn (hundreds and rapidly increasing). Being a member
of a visible minority does not necessarily identify a person as an
outsider (Miss Finland 1996 was a Finnish-born woman of partial Nigerian
background), since both cities have long had visible minority populations
that were born there and speak the local languages. Both societies are
inclusive: they regard anyone who speaks one of the local non
international languages, that is to say Finnish and Estonian, as an
insider. Speaking the minority languages, the variety of Swedish spoken in
Finland (quite distinct from the Swedish of Sweden), and the Baltic
variety of Russian (increasingly distinct from the Russian of Russia),
marks you even more as a local. In Estonia, language laws require that
public encounters be initiated in Estonian, after which the interlocutors
can negotiate whatlanguage to continue speaking. The fact that I am aware
of this legislation and always greet the barber in Estonian but negotiate
about whether we will continue in Russian or Estonian (most of the barbers
at the shop that I frequent are Russian speakers), also marks me as
someone quite familiar with and able to function within the local culture,
that is to say, as more an insider than an outsider.
I moved to Helsinki in 1966 and first visited Tallinn in that year as
well. Since the collapse of the USSR in 1991 I have been visiting Tallinn
about once a month for both business and pleasure (theater and concerts
more to my taste and cheaper than what is available in Helsinki). I am
co-owner of an Estonian company and have worked in Estonia as a teacher,
translator, interpreter, and editor. I have been speaking Swedish,
Russian, and Finnish since 1962, and began studying Estonian in earnest in
1966. I thus have close to fifty years of hands-on experience using the
two local languages of Helsinki (Finnish and Finland-Swedish) and of
Tallinn (Estonian and Russian), and have earned a substantial amount of
the income I have earned in the two countries due to my ability to speak,
write, translate between, and interpret between the four as well as
English.
I rest my case.
Over,
Eugene Holman
yawn, I almost fell asleep
Post by The Revd
All very interesting, Holstein, but I still maintain that they can
readily identify you as an outsider.
It all depends on what you men by outsider. If someone has beenAll very interesting, Holstein, but I still maintain that they can
readily identify you as an outsider.
frequenting the same place on a regular basis for the past ten years, he
obviously has some ties to the place, all the more so if he speaks both
local languages.
Tallinn is is only 80 kilometers and a 90 min./¤27 round trip from
Helsinki, so both cities are virtually outlying suburbs of each other. In
that sense, I could be considered as a local from a remote suburb who
occasionally visits another one.
As to my appearance, yes I do belong to a visible minority, but there are
local residents representing visible minorities in both Helsinki
(thousands) and Tallinn (hundreds and rapidly increasing). Being a member
of a visible minority does not necessarily identify a person as an
outsider (Miss Finland 1996 was a Finnish-born woman of partial Nigerian
background), since both cities have long had visible minority populations
that were born there and speak the local languages. Both societies are
inclusive: they regard anyone who speaks one of the local non
international languages, that is to say Finnish and Estonian, as an
insider. Speaking the minority languages, the variety of Swedish spoken in
Finland (quite distinct from the Swedish of Sweden), and the Baltic
variety of Russian (increasingly distinct from the Russian of Russia),
marks you even more as a local. In Estonia, language laws require that
public encounters be initiated in Estonian, after which the interlocutors
can negotiate whatlanguage to continue speaking. The fact that I am aware
of this legislation and always greet the barber in Estonian but negotiate
about whether we will continue in Russian or Estonian (most of the barbers
at the shop that I frequent are Russian speakers), also marks me as
someone quite familiar with and able to function within the local culture,
that is to say, as more an insider than an outsider.
I moved to Helsinki in 1966 and first visited Tallinn in that year as
well. Since the collapse of the USSR in 1991 I have been visiting Tallinn
about once a month for both business and pleasure (theater and concerts
more to my taste and cheaper than what is available in Helsinki). I am
co-owner of an Estonian company and have worked in Estonia as a teacher,
translator, interpreter, and editor. I have been speaking Swedish,
Russian, and Finnish since 1962, and began studying Estonian in earnest in
1966. I thus have close to fifty years of hands-on experience using the
two local languages of Helsinki (Finnish and Finland-Swedish) and of
Tallinn (Estonian and Russian), and have earned a substantial amount of
the income I have earned in the two countries due to my ability to speak,
write, translate between, and interpret between the four as well as
English.
I rest my case.
Over,
Eugene Holman
yawn, I almost fell asleep
The Peeler
2011-11-09 20:47:44 UTC
On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:21:26 +0100, Dumb Heini, the Dutch resident Nazi troll
So, why did you read it, you atrociously stupid country bumpkin from
Holland? Nobody addressed you! LOL!!! Gosh, your stupidity IS limitless!
So, why did you read it, you atrociously stupid country bumpkin from
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The Revd
2011-11-09 15:20:17 UTC
Post by Eugene Holman
<deletions>
frequenting the same place on a regular basis for the past ten years, he
obviously has some ties to the place, all the more so if he speaks both
local languages.
Surely they can tell by your accent that you're not local?<deletions>
Post by The Revd
All very interesting, Holstein, but I still maintain that they can
readily identify you as an outsider.
It all depends on what you men by outsider. If someone has beenAll very interesting, Holstein, but I still maintain that they can
readily identify you as an outsider.
frequenting the same place on a regular basis for the past ten years, he
obviously has some ties to the place, all the more so if he speaks both
local languages.
Post by Eugene Holman
Tallinn is is only 80 kilometers and a 90 min./¤27 round trip from
Helsinki, so both cities are virtually outlying suburbs of each other. In
that sense, I could be considered as a local from a remote suburb who
occasionally visits another one.
As to my appearance, yes I do belong to a visible minority, but there are
local residents representing visible minorities in both Helsinki
(thousands) and Tallinn (hundreds and rapidly increasing). Being a member
of a visible minority does not necessarily identify a person as an
outsider (Miss Finland 1996 was a Finnish-born woman of partial Nigerian
background), since both cities have long had visible minority populations
that were born there and speak the local languages. Both societies are
inclusive: they regard anyone who speaks one of the local non
international languages, that is to say Finnish and Estonian, as an
insider. Speaking the minority languages, the variety of Swedish spoken in
Finland (quite distinct from the Swedish of Sweden), and the Baltic
variety of Russian (increasingly distinct from the Russian of Russia),
marks you even more as a local. In Estonia, language laws require that
public encounters be initiated in Estonian, after which the interlocutors
can negotiate whatlanguage to continue speaking. The fact that I am aware
of this legislation and always greet the barber in Estonian but negotiate
about whether we will continue in Russian or Estonian (most of the barbers
at the shop that I frequent are Russian speakers), also marks me as
someone quite familiar with and able to function within the local culture,
that is to say, as more an insider than an outsider.
I moved to Helsinki in 1966 and first visited Tallinn in that year as
well. Since the collapse of the USSR in 1991 I have been visiting Tallinn
about once a month for both business and pleasure (theater and concerts
more to my taste and cheaper than what is available in Helsinki). I am
co-owner of an Estonian company and have worked in Estonia as a teacher,
translator, interpreter, and editor. I have been speaking Swedish,
Russian, and Finnish since 1962, and began studying Estonian in earnest in
1966. I thus have close to fifty years of hands-on experience using the
two local languages of Helsinki (Finnish and Finland-Swedish) and of
Tallinn (Estonian and Russian), and have earned a substantial amount of
the income I have earned in the two countries due to my ability to speak,
write, translate between, and interpret between the four as well as
English.
I rest my case.
You are not a native Estonian, Holstein. I rest MY case.Tallinn is is only 80 kilometers and a 90 min./¤27 round trip from
Helsinki, so both cities are virtually outlying suburbs of each other. In
that sense, I could be considered as a local from a remote suburb who
occasionally visits another one.
As to my appearance, yes I do belong to a visible minority, but there are
local residents representing visible minorities in both Helsinki
(thousands) and Tallinn (hundreds and rapidly increasing). Being a member
of a visible minority does not necessarily identify a person as an
outsider (Miss Finland 1996 was a Finnish-born woman of partial Nigerian
background), since both cities have long had visible minority populations
that were born there and speak the local languages. Both societies are
inclusive: they regard anyone who speaks one of the local non
international languages, that is to say Finnish and Estonian, as an
insider. Speaking the minority languages, the variety of Swedish spoken in
Finland (quite distinct from the Swedish of Sweden), and the Baltic
variety of Russian (increasingly distinct from the Russian of Russia),
marks you even more as a local. In Estonia, language laws require that
public encounters be initiated in Estonian, after which the interlocutors
can negotiate whatlanguage to continue speaking. The fact that I am aware
of this legislation and always greet the barber in Estonian but negotiate
about whether we will continue in Russian or Estonian (most of the barbers
at the shop that I frequent are Russian speakers), also marks me as
someone quite familiar with and able to function within the local culture,
that is to say, as more an insider than an outsider.
I moved to Helsinki in 1966 and first visited Tallinn in that year as
well. Since the collapse of the USSR in 1991 I have been visiting Tallinn
about once a month for both business and pleasure (theater and concerts
more to my taste and cheaper than what is available in Helsinki). I am
co-owner of an Estonian company and have worked in Estonia as a teacher,
translator, interpreter, and editor. I have been speaking Swedish,
Russian, and Finnish since 1962, and began studying Estonian in earnest in
1966. I thus have close to fifty years of hands-on experience using the
two local languages of Helsinki (Finnish and Finland-Swedish) and of
Tallinn (Estonian and Russian), and have earned a substantial amount of
the income I have earned in the two countries due to my ability to speak,
write, translate between, and interpret between the four as well as
English.
I rest my case.
The Peeler
2011-11-09 20:45:22 UTC
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:20:17 -0500, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
Yep, you ARE a retard. I rest MY case! <BG>
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Post by The Revd
That's right, retard, he never said that he had been born in Estonia!Post by Eugene Holman
the income I have earned in the two countries due to my ability to speak,
write, translate between, and interpret between the four as well as
English.
I rest my case.
You are not a native Estonian, Holstein. I rest MY case.the income I have earned in the two countries due to my ability to speak,
write, translate between, and interpret between the four as well as
English.
I rest my case.
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Eugene Holman
2011-11-10 05:47:02 UTC
In article <***@4ax.com>, The Revd
<***@degenerate.Grik> wrote:
<deletions>
a language for almost fifty (50) years you know the way in which
pronunciation differs by region, by social class, and by situation. I have
acting experience, including a leading role in a Finnish movie, in
addition to which I have appeared on radio and television talk shows in
all four langauges.
In Finnish and Swedish I know the local accent and slang of my
neighborhood, city, and region, and use them when apprpriate. My mastery
of these details in Estonian and Russian is not so extensive, but I can
certainly speak Estonian with a middle-class Tallinn or more neutral
accent, and Russian with a Moscow (I've lived and studied in Moscow) or
Baltic accent. As to Swedish, I speak the helsinki variety of
Finland-Swedish by default, but having lived and worked in Stockholm, I
can switch to something approximating that if needed
So, the bottom line is that I have no single accent in any of these
languages. I know how the pronunciation of all four of them varied with
respect to situation, relationship between the speakers, and what the
speaker wants to hide and conceal about his educational and personal
background, adjusting accordingly.
<deletions>
I never claimed that I was a native Estonian. My claim was that I have
invested enough time and effort perfecting my Estonian (and Russian:
Tallinn being a bilingual 60% Estonian, 40% Russian-speaking city, local
adults of my age group are fluent in both and know when to use one or the
other) that I have no trouble passing as an insider, an insider being
defined as a person who obviously knows the local culture and its nuances,
including such things as body language, the slang used by his/her
age-group, the news stories, books, and trends that are "in" (nd "out"),
and current events. Estonians often ask me if I was adopted by Estonian
parents as a child or grew up and studied in Estonia. Since I have been
using Estonian regularly on an almost daily basis since my first
university-level course in that language (which was taught in Finnish) in
1966, I arguably have more experience using Estonian than many of the
people that I interact with.
Over,
Eugene Holman
<***@degenerate.Grik> wrote:
<deletions>
Post by The Revd
No. I am a phonetic perfectionist. Additionally, if you have been speakingPost by Eugene Holman
It all depends on what you men by outsider. If someone has been
frequenting the same place on a regular basis for the past ten years, he
obviously has some ties to the place, all the more so if he speaks both
local languages.
Surely they can tell by your accent that you're not local?It all depends on what you men by outsider. If someone has been
frequenting the same place on a regular basis for the past ten years, he
obviously has some ties to the place, all the more so if he speaks both
local languages.
a language for almost fifty (50) years you know the way in which
pronunciation differs by region, by social class, and by situation. I have
acting experience, including a leading role in a Finnish movie, in
addition to which I have appeared on radio and television talk shows in
all four langauges.
In Finnish and Swedish I know the local accent and slang of my
neighborhood, city, and region, and use them when apprpriate. My mastery
of these details in Estonian and Russian is not so extensive, but I can
certainly speak Estonian with a middle-class Tallinn or more neutral
accent, and Russian with a Moscow (I've lived and studied in Moscow) or
Baltic accent. As to Swedish, I speak the helsinki variety of
Finland-Swedish by default, but having lived and worked in Stockholm, I
can switch to something approximating that if needed
So, the bottom line is that I have no single accent in any of these
languages. I know how the pronunciation of all four of them varied with
respect to situation, relationship between the speakers, and what the
speaker wants to hide and conceal about his educational and personal
background, adjusting accordingly.
<deletions>
I never claimed that I was a native Estonian. My claim was that I have
invested enough time and effort perfecting my Estonian (and Russian:
Tallinn being a bilingual 60% Estonian, 40% Russian-speaking city, local
adults of my age group are fluent in both and know when to use one or the
other) that I have no trouble passing as an insider, an insider being
defined as a person who obviously knows the local culture and its nuances,
including such things as body language, the slang used by his/her
age-group, the news stories, books, and trends that are "in" (nd "out"),
and current events. Estonians often ask me if I was adopted by Estonian
parents as a child or grew up and studied in Estonia. Since I have been
using Estonian regularly on an almost daily basis since my first
university-level course in that language (which was taught in Finnish) in
1966, I arguably have more experience using Estonian than many of the
people that I interact with.
Over,
Eugene Holman
Heinrich
2011-11-10 08:17:02 UTC
"Eugene Holman" schreef in bericht news:holman-***@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...
In article <***@4ax.com>, The Revd
<***@degenerate.Grik> wrote:
<deletions>
a language for almost fifty (50) years you know the way in which
pronunciation differs by region, by social class, and by situation. I have
acting experience, including a leading role in a Finnish movie, in
addition to which I have appeared on radio and television talk shows in
all four langauges.
In Finnish and Swedish I know the local accent and slang of my
neighborhood, city, and region, and use them when apprpriate. My mastery
of these details in Estonian and Russian is not so extensive, but I can
certainly speak Estonian with a middle-class Tallinn or more neutral
accent, and Russian with a Moscow (I've lived and studied in Moscow) or
Baltic accent. As to Swedish, I speak the helsinki variety of
Finland-Swedish by default, but having lived and worked in Stockholm, I
can switch to something approximating that if needed
So, the bottom line is that I have no single accent in any of these
languages. I know how the pronunciation of all four of them varied with
respect to situation, relationship between the speakers, and what the
speaker wants to hide and conceal about his educational and personal
background, adjusting accordingly.
<deletions>
I never claimed that I was a native Estonian. My claim was that I have
invested enough time and effort perfecting my Estonian (and Russian:
Tallinn being a bilingual 60% Estonian, 40% Russian-speaking city, local
adults of my age group are fluent in both and know when to use one or the
other) that I have no trouble passing as an insider, an insider being
defined as a person who obviously knows the local culture and its nuances,
including such things as body language, the slang used by his/her
age-group, the news stories, books, and trends that are "in" (nd "out"),
and current events. Estonians often ask me if I was adopted by Estonian
parents as a child or grew up and studied in Estonia. Since I have been
using Estonian regularly on an almost daily basis since my first
university-level course in that language (which was taught in Finnish) in
1966, I arguably have more experience using Estonian than many of the
people that I interact with.
Over,
Eugene Holman
shut up holman, you talk too much
In article <***@4ax.com>, The Revd
<***@degenerate.Grik> wrote:
<deletions>
Post by The Revd
No. I am a phonetic perfectionist. Additionally, if you have been speakingPost by Eugene Holman
It all depends on what you men by outsider. If someone has been
frequenting the same place on a regular basis for the past ten years, he
obviously has some ties to the place, all the more so if he speaks both
local languages.
Surely they can tell by your accent that you're not local?It all depends on what you men by outsider. If someone has been
frequenting the same place on a regular basis for the past ten years, he
obviously has some ties to the place, all the more so if he speaks both
local languages.
a language for almost fifty (50) years you know the way in which
pronunciation differs by region, by social class, and by situation. I have
acting experience, including a leading role in a Finnish movie, in
addition to which I have appeared on radio and television talk shows in
all four langauges.
In Finnish and Swedish I know the local accent and slang of my
neighborhood, city, and region, and use them when apprpriate. My mastery
of these details in Estonian and Russian is not so extensive, but I can
certainly speak Estonian with a middle-class Tallinn or more neutral
accent, and Russian with a Moscow (I've lived and studied in Moscow) or
Baltic accent. As to Swedish, I speak the helsinki variety of
Finland-Swedish by default, but having lived and worked in Stockholm, I
can switch to something approximating that if needed
So, the bottom line is that I have no single accent in any of these
languages. I know how the pronunciation of all four of them varied with
respect to situation, relationship between the speakers, and what the
speaker wants to hide and conceal about his educational and personal
background, adjusting accordingly.
<deletions>
I never claimed that I was a native Estonian. My claim was that I have
invested enough time and effort perfecting my Estonian (and Russian:
Tallinn being a bilingual 60% Estonian, 40% Russian-speaking city, local
adults of my age group are fluent in both and know when to use one or the
other) that I have no trouble passing as an insider, an insider being
defined as a person who obviously knows the local culture and its nuances,
including such things as body language, the slang used by his/her
age-group, the news stories, books, and trends that are "in" (nd "out"),
and current events. Estonians often ask me if I was adopted by Estonian
parents as a child or grew up and studied in Estonia. Since I have been
using Estonian regularly on an almost daily basis since my first
university-level course in that language (which was taught in Finnish) in
1966, I arguably have more experience using Estonian than many of the
people that I interact with.
Over,
Eugene Holman
shut up holman, you talk too much
The Peeler
2011-11-10 11:47:48 UTC
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:17:02 +0100, Dumb Heini, the Dutch resident Nazi
Post by Eugene Holman
university-level course in that language (which was taught in Finnish) in
1966, I arguably have more experience using Estonian than many of the
people that I interact with.
Over,
Eugene Holman
shut up holman, you talk too much
You felt that someone was talking to you, you idiotic troll from Holland?university-level course in that language (which was taught in Finnish) in
1966, I arguably have more experience using Estonian than many of the
people that I interact with.
Over,
Eugene Holman
shut up holman, you talk too much
--
Dumb Dutch Nazi Heini, our resident idiot: "or hi for insperation for his
serm sermons"
MID: <4dbf9476$0$8410$***@news.tweakdsl.nl>
Dumb Dutch Nazi Heini, our resident idiot: "or hi for insperation for his
serm sermons"
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The Revd
2011-11-10 12:06:11 UTC
Post by Eugene Holman
<deletions>
a language for almost fifty (50) years you know the way in which
pronunciation differs by region, by social class, and by situation. I have
acting experience, including a leading role in a Finnish movie, in
addition to which I have appeared on radio and television talk shows in
all four langauges.
In Finnish and Swedish I know the local accent and slang of my
neighborhood, city, and region, and use them when apprpriate. My mastery
of these details in Estonian and Russian is not so extensive, but I can
certainly speak Estonian with a middle-class Tallinn or more neutral
accent, and Russian with a Moscow (I've lived and studied in Moscow) or
Baltic accent. As to Swedish, I speak the helsinki variety of
Finland-Swedish by default, but having lived and worked in Stockholm, I
can switch to something approximating that if needed
So, the bottom line is that I have no single accent in any of these
languages. I know how the pronunciation of all four of them varied with
respect to situation, relationship between the speakers, and what the
speaker wants to hide and conceal about his educational and personal
background, adjusting accordingly.
<deletions>
I never claimed that I was a native Estonian. My claim was that I have
Tallinn being a bilingual 60% Estonian, 40% Russian-speaking city, local
adults of my age group are fluent in both and know when to use one or the
other) that I have no trouble passing as an insider, an insider being
defined as a person who obviously knows the local culture and its nuances,
including such things as body language, the slang used by his/her
age-group, the news stories, books, and trends that are "in" (nd "out"),
and current events. Estonians often ask me if I was adopted by Estonian
parents as a child or grew up and studied in Estonia. Since I have been
using Estonian regularly on an almost daily basis since my first
university-level course in that language (which was taught in Finnish) in
1966, I arguably have more experience using Estonian than many of the
people that I interact with.
Why would Estonians ask if you were adopted by Estonian parents or<deletions>
Post by The Revd
No. I am a phonetic perfectionist. Additionally, if you have been speakingPost by Eugene Holman
It all depends on what you men by outsider. If someone has been
frequenting the same place on a regular basis for the past ten years, he
obviously has some ties to the place, all the more so if he speaks both
local languages.
Surely they can tell by your accent that you're not local?It all depends on what you men by outsider. If someone has been
frequenting the same place on a regular basis for the past ten years, he
obviously has some ties to the place, all the more so if he speaks both
local languages.
a language for almost fifty (50) years you know the way in which
pronunciation differs by region, by social class, and by situation. I have
acting experience, including a leading role in a Finnish movie, in
addition to which I have appeared on radio and television talk shows in
all four langauges.
In Finnish and Swedish I know the local accent and slang of my
neighborhood, city, and region, and use them when apprpriate. My mastery
of these details in Estonian and Russian is not so extensive, but I can
certainly speak Estonian with a middle-class Tallinn or more neutral
accent, and Russian with a Moscow (I've lived and studied in Moscow) or
Baltic accent. As to Swedish, I speak the helsinki variety of
Finland-Swedish by default, but having lived and worked in Stockholm, I
can switch to something approximating that if needed
So, the bottom line is that I have no single accent in any of these
languages. I know how the pronunciation of all four of them varied with
respect to situation, relationship between the speakers, and what the
speaker wants to hide and conceal about his educational and personal
background, adjusting accordingly.
<deletions>
I never claimed that I was a native Estonian. My claim was that I have
Tallinn being a bilingual 60% Estonian, 40% Russian-speaking city, local
adults of my age group are fluent in both and know when to use one or the
other) that I have no trouble passing as an insider, an insider being
defined as a person who obviously knows the local culture and its nuances,
including such things as body language, the slang used by his/her
age-group, the news stories, books, and trends that are "in" (nd "out"),
and current events. Estonians often ask me if I was adopted by Estonian
parents as a child or grew up and studied in Estonia. Since I have been
using Estonian regularly on an almost daily basis since my first
university-level course in that language (which was taught in Finnish) in
1966, I arguably have more experience using Estonian than many of the
people that I interact with.
grew up and studied in Estonia if you are supposedly indistinguishable
from the average Estonian on the street, Holstein?
The Peeler
2011-11-10 12:22:32 UTC
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:06:11 -0500, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
yourself why so many people on Usenet agree that you are a sick abnormal
degenerate swine and full-blown idiot! I mean, it's blatant! LOL
--
Quotes about The Rectum:
Jimbo: "You're an abortion that should have happened."
Attila: "Are you a corpse that has not died yet?"
Virgil: "The world would be a better place if we could go
back in time and abort some idiots like formby before they were hatched."
Ejercito:"If he believed in racial hygiene, he would gas himself."
Ray Fischer: "We're not interested in your sexual fantasies, pervert."
Doug: "Pitiful diarrhea is the Revd's real name."
The Chief Instigator: "You've all the strength of wet toilet paper."
W.T.S.: "You are a liar. You are an obvious liar. You are a liar who has no
talent for making a lie believable."
Doug: "Your posts are nothing but written diarrhea."
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
Post by The Revd
grew up and studied in Estonia if you are supposedly indistinguishable
from the average Estonian on the street, Holstein?
Instead of worrying about other people's lives constantly, rather askPost by Eugene Holman
using Estonian regularly on an almost daily basis since my first
university-level course in that language (which was taught in Finnish) in
1966, I arguably have more experience using Estonian than many of the
people that I interact with.
Why would Estonians ask if you were adopted by Estonian parents orusing Estonian regularly on an almost daily basis since my first
university-level course in that language (which was taught in Finnish) in
1966, I arguably have more experience using Estonian than many of the
people that I interact with.
grew up and studied in Estonia if you are supposedly indistinguishable
from the average Estonian on the street, Holstein?
yourself why so many people on Usenet agree that you are a sick abnormal
degenerate swine and full-blown idiot! I mean, it's blatant! LOL
--
Quotes about The Rectum:
Jimbo: "You're an abortion that should have happened."
Attila: "Are you a corpse that has not died yet?"
Virgil: "The world would be a better place if we could go
back in time and abort some idiots like formby before they were hatched."
Ejercito:"If he believed in racial hygiene, he would gas himself."
Ray Fischer: "We're not interested in your sexual fantasies, pervert."
Doug: "Pitiful diarrhea is the Revd's real name."
The Chief Instigator: "You've all the strength of wet toilet paper."
W.T.S.: "You are a liar. You are an obvious liar. You are a liar who has no
talent for making a lie believable."
Doug: "Your posts are nothing but written diarrhea."
Eugene Holman
2011-11-10 13:05:35 UTC
<deletions>
person who speaks fluent and idiomatic Estonian, and they are curious as
to how that came about.
By the way, the same thing happened to me in the US more than once. I
usually speak a mainstream Network English variety of American English
when interacting with strangers in non-social situations, although I am a
native New Yorker and Brooklynite. People have often asked me where, even
in what country, I learned to speak plain vanilla American English with no
discernable African-American or New York accent (I can do both, if
needed).
Have you ever seen the movie *Dr Strangelove*? Did you even realize that
the upper-class British-speakin Capt. Lionel Mandrake and the midwestern
American-English speaking President Merkin Muffly, not to mention the
German-accented English-speaking Dr Strangelove, were all performed by
Peter Sellers? Some people have a sharp ear for accentual and intonational
differences, and can control their organs of speech in the manner
necessary to produce the bases of articuation, sounds, sandhi, tessitura,
rhythm, melodic patterns, and patterns of assimilation associated with
specific languages and accents.
Over,
Eugene Holman
Post by The Revd
grew up and studied in Estonia if you are supposedly indistinguishable
from the average Estonian on the street, Holstein?
Because I am not white, as almost all Estonians are. They meet a blackPost by Eugene Holman
I never claimed that I was a native Estonian. My claim was that I have
Tallinn being a bilingual 60% Estonian, 40% Russian-speaking city, local
adults of my age group are fluent in both and know when to use one or the
other) that I have no trouble passing as an insider, an insider being
defined as a person who obviously knows the local culture and its nuances,
including such things as body language, the slang used by his/her
age-group, the news stories, books, and trends that are "in" (nd "out"),
and current events. Estonians often ask me if I was adopted by Estonian
parents as a child or grew up and studied in Estonia. Since I have been
using Estonian regularly on an almost daily basis since my first
university-level course in that language (which was taught in Finnish) in
1966, I arguably have more experience using Estonian than many of the
people that I interact with.
Why would Estonians ask if you were adopted by Estonian parents orI never claimed that I was a native Estonian. My claim was that I have
Tallinn being a bilingual 60% Estonian, 40% Russian-speaking city, local
adults of my age group are fluent in both and know when to use one or the
other) that I have no trouble passing as an insider, an insider being
defined as a person who obviously knows the local culture and its nuances,
including such things as body language, the slang used by his/her
age-group, the news stories, books, and trends that are "in" (nd "out"),
and current events. Estonians often ask me if I was adopted by Estonian
parents as a child or grew up and studied in Estonia. Since I have been
using Estonian regularly on an almost daily basis since my first
university-level course in that language (which was taught in Finnish) in
1966, I arguably have more experience using Estonian than many of the
people that I interact with.
grew up and studied in Estonia if you are supposedly indistinguishable
from the average Estonian on the street, Holstein?
person who speaks fluent and idiomatic Estonian, and they are curious as
to how that came about.
By the way, the same thing happened to me in the US more than once. I
usually speak a mainstream Network English variety of American English
when interacting with strangers in non-social situations, although I am a
native New Yorker and Brooklynite. People have often asked me where, even
in what country, I learned to speak plain vanilla American English with no
discernable African-American or New York accent (I can do both, if
needed).
Have you ever seen the movie *Dr Strangelove*? Did you even realize that
the upper-class British-speakin Capt. Lionel Mandrake and the midwestern
American-English speaking President Merkin Muffly, not to mention the
German-accented English-speaking Dr Strangelove, were all performed by
Peter Sellers? Some people have a sharp ear for accentual and intonational
differences, and can control their organs of speech in the manner
necessary to produce the bases of articuation, sounds, sandhi, tessitura,
rhythm, melodic patterns, and patterns of assimilation associated with
specific languages and accents.
Over,
Eugene Holman
The Revd
2011-11-10 13:21:04 UTC
Post by Eugene Holman
<deletions>
person who speaks fluent and idiomatic Estonian, and they are curious as
to how that came about.
By the way, the same thing happened to me in the US more than once. I
usually speak a mainstream Network English variety of American English
when interacting with strangers in non-social situations, although I am a
native New Yorker and Brooklynite. People have often asked me where, even
in what country, I learned to speak plain vanilla American English with no
discernable African-American or New York accent (I can do both, if
needed).
You mean you only occasionally say "aks" instead of "ask"?<deletions>
Post by The Revd
grew up and studied in Estonia if you are supposedly indistinguishable
from the average Estonian on the street, Holstein?
Because I am not white, as almost all Estonians are. They meet a blackPost by Eugene Holman
I never claimed that I was a native Estonian. My claim was that I have
Tallinn being a bilingual 60% Estonian, 40% Russian-speaking city, local
adults of my age group are fluent in both and know when to use one or the
other) that I have no trouble passing as an insider, an insider being
defined as a person who obviously knows the local culture and its nuances,
including such things as body language, the slang used by his/her
age-group, the news stories, books, and trends that are "in" (nd "out"),
and current events. Estonians often ask me if I was adopted by Estonian
parents as a child or grew up and studied in Estonia. Since I have been
using Estonian regularly on an almost daily basis since my first
university-level course in that language (which was taught in Finnish) in
1966, I arguably have more experience using Estonian than many of the
people that I interact with.
Why would Estonians ask if you were adopted by Estonian parents orI never claimed that I was a native Estonian. My claim was that I have
Tallinn being a bilingual 60% Estonian, 40% Russian-speaking city, local
adults of my age group are fluent in both and know when to use one or the
other) that I have no trouble passing as an insider, an insider being
defined as a person who obviously knows the local culture and its nuances,
including such things as body language, the slang used by his/her
age-group, the news stories, books, and trends that are "in" (nd "out"),
and current events. Estonians often ask me if I was adopted by Estonian
parents as a child or grew up and studied in Estonia. Since I have been
using Estonian regularly on an almost daily basis since my first
university-level course in that language (which was taught in Finnish) in
1966, I arguably have more experience using Estonian than many of the
people that I interact with.
grew up and studied in Estonia if you are supposedly indistinguishable
from the average Estonian on the street, Holstein?
person who speaks fluent and idiomatic Estonian, and they are curious as
to how that came about.
By the way, the same thing happened to me in the US more than once. I
usually speak a mainstream Network English variety of American English
when interacting with strangers in non-social situations, although I am a
native New Yorker and Brooklynite. People have often asked me where, even
in what country, I learned to speak plain vanilla American English with no
discernable African-American or New York accent (I can do both, if
needed).
Post by Eugene Holman
Have you ever seen the movie *Dr Strangelove*? Did you even realize that
the upper-class British-speakin Capt. Lionel Mandrake and the midwestern
American-English speaking President Merkin Muffly, not to mention the
German-accented English-speaking Dr Strangelove, were all performed by
Peter Sellers? Some people have a sharp ear for accentual and intonational
differences, and can control their organs of speech in the manner
necessary to produce the bases of articuation, sounds, sandhi, tessitura,
rhythm, melodic patterns, and patterns of assimilation associated with
specific languages and accents.
You're not even white and you think the Estonians see you as a local?Have you ever seen the movie *Dr Strangelove*? Did you even realize that
the upper-class British-speakin Capt. Lionel Mandrake and the midwestern
American-English speaking President Merkin Muffly, not to mention the
German-accented English-speaking Dr Strangelove, were all performed by
Peter Sellers? Some people have a sharp ear for accentual and intonational
differences, and can control their organs of speech in the manner
necessary to produce the bases of articuation, sounds, sandhi, tessitura,
rhythm, melodic patterns, and patterns of assimilation associated with
specific languages and accents.
LOL
Eugene Holman
2011-11-10 16:46:36 UTC
<deletions>
other hand, the rivaly between "ask" and "aks" goes back to Old English.
Any good etymological dictionary of English will show you that the rivalry
between "ask" (OE < ascian) and "aks" (OE < acsian) has been going on for
more than a thousand years.
(http://www.eduskunta.fi/triphome/bin/hex5000.sh?hnro=1114), born in
Vaasa, Finland, on Nov. 27, 1977, who is a Member of the Finnish
Parliament representing the Green Movement.
The world is far more complex that you would like to believe it is.
Over,
Eugene Holman
Post by The Revd
The form "aks" is a southernism (qhite and black) that I don't use. On thePost by Eugene Holman
By the way, the same thing happened to me in the US more than once. I
usually speak a mainstream Network English variety of American English
when interacting with strangers in non-social situations, although I am a
native New Yorker and Brooklynite. People have often asked me where, even
in what country, I learned to speak plain vanilla American English with no
discernable African-American or New York accent (I can do both, if
needed).
You mean you only occasionally say "aks" instead of "ask"?By the way, the same thing happened to me in the US more than once. I
usually speak a mainstream Network English variety of American English
when interacting with strangers in non-social situations, although I am a
native New Yorker and Brooklynite. People have often asked me where, even
in what country, I learned to speak plain vanilla American English with no
discernable African-American or New York accent (I can do both, if
needed).
other hand, the rivaly between "ask" and "aks" goes back to Old English.
Any good etymological dictionary of English will show you that the rivalry
between "ask" (OE < ascian) and "aks" (OE < acsian) has been going on for
more than a thousand years.
Post by The Revd
LOL
There are black Estonians, just as there are black Finns. Cf. Jani ToivolaPost by Eugene Holman
Have you ever seen the movie *Dr Strangelove*? Did you even realize that
the upper-class British-speakin Capt. Lionel Mandrake and the midwestern
American-English speaking President Merkin Muffly, not to mention the
German-accented English-speaking Dr Strangelove, were all performed by
Peter Sellers? Some people have a sharp ear for accentual and intonational
differences, and can control their organs of speech in the manner
necessary to produce the bases of articuation, sounds, sandhi, tessitura,
rhythm, melodic patterns, and patterns of assimilation associated with
specific languages and accents.
You're not even white and you think the Estonians see you as a local?Have you ever seen the movie *Dr Strangelove*? Did you even realize that
the upper-class British-speakin Capt. Lionel Mandrake and the midwestern
American-English speaking President Merkin Muffly, not to mention the
German-accented English-speaking Dr Strangelove, were all performed by
Peter Sellers? Some people have a sharp ear for accentual and intonational
differences, and can control their organs of speech in the manner
necessary to produce the bases of articuation, sounds, sandhi, tessitura,
rhythm, melodic patterns, and patterns of assimilation associated with
specific languages and accents.
LOL
(http://www.eduskunta.fi/triphome/bin/hex5000.sh?hnro=1114), born in
Vaasa, Finland, on Nov. 27, 1977, who is a Member of the Finnish
Parliament representing the Green Movement.
The world is far more complex that you would like to believe it is.
Over,
Eugene Holman
The Revd
2011-11-10 17:57:47 UTC
Post by Eugene Holman
<deletions>
other hand, the rivaly between "ask" and "aks" goes back to Old English.
Any good etymological dictionary of English will show you that the rivalry
between "ask" (OE < ascian) and "aks" (OE < acsian) has been going on for
more than a thousand years.
I'm glad I aksed.<deletions>
Post by The Revd
The form "aks" is a southernism (qhite and black) that I don't use. On thePost by Eugene Holman
By the way, the same thing happened to me in the US more than once. I
usually speak a mainstream Network English variety of American English
when interacting with strangers in non-social situations, although I am a
native New Yorker and Brooklynite. People have often asked me where, even
in what country, I learned to speak plain vanilla American English with no
discernable African-American or New York accent (I can do both, if
needed).
You mean you only occasionally say "aks" instead of "ask"?By the way, the same thing happened to me in the US more than once. I
usually speak a mainstream Network English variety of American English
when interacting with strangers in non-social situations, although I am a
native New Yorker and Brooklynite. People have often asked me where, even
in what country, I learned to speak plain vanilla American English with no
discernable African-American or New York accent (I can do both, if
needed).
other hand, the rivaly between "ask" and "aks" goes back to Old English.
Any good etymological dictionary of English will show you that the rivalry
between "ask" (OE < ascian) and "aks" (OE < acsian) has been going on for
more than a thousand years.
Post by Eugene Holman
(http://www.eduskunta.fi/triphome/bin/hex5000.sh?hnro=1114), born in
Vaasa, Finland, on Nov. 27, 1977, who is a Member of the Finnish
Parliament representing the Green Movement.
There are no ethic Estonians who are black. It is probably possiblePost by The Revd
LOL
There are black Estonians, just as there are black Finns. Cf. Jani ToivolaPost by Eugene Holman
Have you ever seen the movie *Dr Strangelove*? Did you even realize that
the upper-class British-speakin Capt. Lionel Mandrake and the midwestern
American-English speaking President Merkin Muffly, not to mention the
German-accented English-speaking Dr Strangelove, were all performed by
Peter Sellers? Some people have a sharp ear for accentual and intonational
differences, and can control their organs of speech in the manner
necessary to produce the bases of articuation, sounds, sandhi, tessitura,
rhythm, melodic patterns, and patterns of assimilation associated with
specific languages and accents.
You're not even white and you think the Estonians see you as a local?Have you ever seen the movie *Dr Strangelove*? Did you even realize that
the upper-class British-speakin Capt. Lionel Mandrake and the midwestern
American-English speaking President Merkin Muffly, not to mention the
German-accented English-speaking Dr Strangelove, were all performed by
Peter Sellers? Some people have a sharp ear for accentual and intonational
differences, and can control their organs of speech in the manner
necessary to produce the bases of articuation, sounds, sandhi, tessitura,
rhythm, melodic patterns, and patterns of assimilation associated with
specific languages and accents.
LOL
(http://www.eduskunta.fi/triphome/bin/hex5000.sh?hnro=1114), born in
Vaasa, Finland, on Nov. 27, 1977, who is a Member of the Finnish
Parliament representing the Green Movement.
to acquire Estonian citizenship if you pay enough to the right people,
though.
No, it isn't. It's black and white.
The Peeler
2011-11-10 18:48:17 UTC
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:57:47 -0500, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
farted again:
<snip our resident psychopath's usual hysterical and psychotic garbage>
You KNOW that you are getting shown up for a hilarious pathological oaf in
this thread again, right, The Rectum? You just can't do anything about it
because this here is EVERYTHING you got in your "life"! It's a hoot! LOL
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
farted again:
<snip our resident psychopath's usual hysterical and psychotic garbage>
You KNOW that you are getting shown up for a hilarious pathological oaf in
this thread again, right, The Rectum? You just can't do anything about it
because this here is EVERYTHING you got in your "life"! It's a hoot! LOL
--
Gray Guest about The Rectum: "You are a subhuman. You should not be
permitted to propagate your genes."
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permitted to propagate your genes."
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Eugene Holman
2011-11-11 07:52:43 UTC
<deletions>
There are a few hundred people with one black and one Estonian parent who
were born in Estonia, have Estonian as their native language, and are 100%
Estonian as concerns culture and behavior. Some are the products of mixed
marriages, some are the products of sexual contacts between Estonians and
foreigners in Estonia or abroad. Some were adopted by Estonian couples. A
few are foundlings. Being non-white, although rare, is not incompatible
with being ethnic Estonian. Indeed, what are you to call a person of any
racial background who was born, raised, and educated in Estonia, speaks
Estonian as his/her first or preferred language, and self-identifies as an
Estonian? If an Estonian-born and raised person with one Estonian and one
German, Russian, or Armenian parent can be regarded as an ethnic Estonian,
why should an Estonian-born and raised person with one Estonian and one
Somali, Kurdish, Zulu, or Indonesian parent not be?
five years residence in Estonia, demonstration of the ability to speak and
understand Estonian, and successful completion of a course and examination
on Estonian civics and history. For details, see
http://www.extrapassport.com/estonia-citizenship.
Acquiring Estonian citizenship by naturalization does not make a person an
ethnic Estonian, but it does allow Estonianness to be inherited by his or
her Estonian-born children, who would be regarded as ethnic Estonians.
Finnish MP Jani Toivola
(http://www.eduskunta.fi/triphome/bin/hex5000.sh?hnro=1114) proves you
wrong. Ethnicities are man-made constructs and thus subject to all the
indeterminacies that arise when such constructs are used as templates for
analyzing reality. Why is Barack Obama, who is just as much "white" as
"black", regarded by most people as being "black", despite his having been
raised in a "white" environment by his "white" mother and grandparents?
Why is being an ethnic Estonian regarded as being more a function of being
able to speak the language and knowing the culture than it is of a
person's appearance?
Over,
Eugene Holman
Post by The Revd
Your claim is demonstrably false.Post by Eugene Holman
There are black Estonians, just as there are black Finns. Cf. Jani Toivola
(http://www.eduskunta.fi/triphome/bin/hex5000.sh?hnro=1114), born in
Vaasa, Finland, on Nov. 27, 1977, who is a Member of the Finnish
Parliament representing the Green Movement.
There are no ethic Estonians who are black.There are black Estonians, just as there are black Finns. Cf. Jani Toivola
(http://www.eduskunta.fi/triphome/bin/hex5000.sh?hnro=1114), born in
Vaasa, Finland, on Nov. 27, 1977, who is a Member of the Finnish
Parliament representing the Green Movement.
There are a few hundred people with one black and one Estonian parent who
were born in Estonia, have Estonian as their native language, and are 100%
Estonian as concerns culture and behavior. Some are the products of mixed
marriages, some are the products of sexual contacts between Estonians and
foreigners in Estonia or abroad. Some were adopted by Estonian couples. A
few are foundlings. Being non-white, although rare, is not incompatible
with being ethnic Estonian. Indeed, what are you to call a person of any
racial background who was born, raised, and educated in Estonia, speaks
Estonian as his/her first or preferred language, and self-identifies as an
Estonian? If an Estonian-born and raised person with one Estonian and one
German, Russian, or Armenian parent can be regarded as an ethnic Estonian,
why should an Estonian-born and raised person with one Estonian and one
Somali, Kurdish, Zulu, or Indonesian parent not be?
Post by The Revd
It is probably possible
to acquire Estonian citizenship if you pay enough to the right people,
though.
The procedue for acquring Estonian citizenship by naturalization requiresIt is probably possible
to acquire Estonian citizenship if you pay enough to the right people,
though.
five years residence in Estonia, demonstration of the ability to speak and
understand Estonian, and successful completion of a course and examination
on Estonian civics and history. For details, see
http://www.extrapassport.com/estonia-citizenship.
Acquiring Estonian citizenship by naturalization does not make a person an
ethnic Estonian, but it does allow Estonianness to be inherited by his or
her Estonian-born children, who would be regarded as ethnic Estonians.
Finnish MP Jani Toivola
(http://www.eduskunta.fi/triphome/bin/hex5000.sh?hnro=1114) proves you
wrong. Ethnicities are man-made constructs and thus subject to all the
indeterminacies that arise when such constructs are used as templates for
analyzing reality. Why is Barack Obama, who is just as much "white" as
"black", regarded by most people as being "black", despite his having been
raised in a "white" environment by his "white" mother and grandparents?
Why is being an ethnic Estonian regarded as being more a function of being
able to speak the language and knowing the culture than it is of a
person's appearance?
Over,
Eugene Holman
The Revd
2011-11-11 12:20:32 UTC
Post by Eugene Holman
<deletions>
No, it is not.<deletions>
Post by The Revd
Your claim is demonstrably false.Post by Eugene Holman
There are black Estonians, just as there are black Finns. Cf. Jani Toivola
(http://www.eduskunta.fi/triphome/bin/hex5000.sh?hnro=1114), born in
Vaasa, Finland, on Nov. 27, 1977, who is a Member of the Finnish
Parliament representing the Green Movement.
There are no ethic Estonians who are black.There are black Estonians, just as there are black Finns. Cf. Jani Toivola
(http://www.eduskunta.fi/triphome/bin/hex5000.sh?hnro=1114), born in
Vaasa, Finland, on Nov. 27, 1977, who is a Member of the Finnish
Parliament representing the Green Movement.
Post by Eugene Holman
There are a few hundred people with one black and one Estonian parent who
were born in Estonia, have Estonian as their native language, and are 100%
Estonian as concerns culture and behavior. Some are the products of mixed
marriages, some are the products of sexual contacts between Estonians and
foreigners in Estonia or abroad. Some were adopted by Estonian couples. A
few are foundlings. Being non-white, although rare, is not incompatible
with being ethnic Estonian. Indeed, what are you to call a person of any
racial background who was born, raised, and educated in Estonia, speaks
Estonian as his/her first or preferred language, and self-identifies as an
Estonian? If an Estonian-born and raised person with one Estonian and one
German, Russian, or Armenian parent can be regarded as an ethnic Estonian,
why should an Estonian-born and raised person with one Estonian and one
Somali, Kurdish, Zulu, or Indonesian parent not be?
Beacuse Estonian ethnicity demands being white. White all over. NotThere are a few hundred people with one black and one Estonian parent who
were born in Estonia, have Estonian as their native language, and are 100%
Estonian as concerns culture and behavior. Some are the products of mixed
marriages, some are the products of sexual contacts between Estonians and
foreigners in Estonia or abroad. Some were adopted by Estonian couples. A
few are foundlings. Being non-white, although rare, is not incompatible
with being ethnic Estonian. Indeed, what are you to call a person of any
racial background who was born, raised, and educated in Estonia, speaks
Estonian as his/her first or preferred language, and self-identifies as an
Estonian? If an Estonian-born and raised person with one Estonian and one
German, Russian, or Armenian parent can be regarded as an ethnic Estonian,
why should an Estonian-born and raised person with one Estonian and one
Somali, Kurdish, Zulu, or Indonesian parent not be?
half-white.
Post by Eugene Holman
five years residence in Estonia, demonstration of the ability to speak and
understand Estonian, and successful completion of a course and examination
on Estonian civics and history. For details, see
http://www.extrapassport.com/estonia-citizenship.
Acquiring Estonian citizenship by naturalization does not make a person an
ethnic Estonian, but it does allow Estonianness to be inherited by his or
her Estonian-born children, who would be regarded as ethnic Estonians.
You can't acquire ethnicity...any ethnicity. The children of aPost by The Revd
It is probably possible
to acquire Estonian citizenship if you pay enough to the right people,
though.
The procedue for acquring Estonian citizenship by naturalization requiresIt is probably possible
to acquire Estonian citizenship if you pay enough to the right people,
though.
five years residence in Estonia, demonstration of the ability to speak and
understand Estonian, and successful completion of a course and examination
on Estonian civics and history. For details, see
http://www.extrapassport.com/estonia-citizenship.
Acquiring Estonian citizenship by naturalization does not make a person an
ethnic Estonian, but it does allow Estonianness to be inherited by his or
her Estonian-born children, who would be regarded as ethnic Estonians.
naturalised Estonian do not acquire Estonian ethnicity. They inherit
the ethnicity of the parent(s).
Post by Eugene Holman
Finnish MP Jani Toivola
(http://www.eduskunta.fi/triphome/bin/hex5000.sh?hnro=1114) proves you
wrong. Ethnicities are man-made constructs and thus subject to all the
indeterminacies that arise when such constructs are used as templates for
analyzing reality. Why is Barack Obama, who is just as much "white" as
"black", regarded by most people as being "black", despite his having been
raised in a "white" environment by his "white" mother and grandparents?
He looks more black than he does white. In fact, he has no whiteFinnish MP Jani Toivola
(http://www.eduskunta.fi/triphome/bin/hex5000.sh?hnro=1114) proves you
wrong. Ethnicities are man-made constructs and thus subject to all the
indeterminacies that arise when such constructs are used as templates for
analyzing reality. Why is Barack Obama, who is just as much "white" as
"black", regarded by most people as being "black", despite his having been
raised in a "white" environment by his "white" mother and grandparents?
facial features at all.
Post by Eugene Holman
Why is being an ethnic Estonian regarded as being more a function of being
able to speak the language and knowing the culture than it is of a
person's appearance?
It isn't.Why is being an ethnic Estonian regarded as being more a function of being
able to speak the language and knowing the culture than it is of a
person's appearance?
The Peeler
2011-11-11 12:52:50 UTC
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:20:32 -0500, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
farted again:
<snip most of the usual psychotic bullshit>
a few generations back, had been part of a different ethnicity. A huge
number of Brits would be French, ethnically. A huge number (or rather most)
Germans would be either Poles, Czechs, Italians, Danes, French, etc.
So, how many generations would it take for someone until YOU psychotic loser
"generously" allow him to call himself part of an ethnicity, you dumb
psycho? <BG>
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
farted again:
<snip most of the usual psychotic bullshit>
Post by The Revd
You can't acquire ethnicity...any ethnicity. The children of a
naturalised Estonian do not acquire Estonian ethnicity. They inherit
the ethnicity of the parent(s).
In that case most people wouldn't be part of any ethnicity, as most people,You can't acquire ethnicity...any ethnicity. The children of a
naturalised Estonian do not acquire Estonian ethnicity. They inherit
the ethnicity of the parent(s).
a few generations back, had been part of a different ethnicity. A huge
number of Brits would be French, ethnically. A huge number (or rather most)
Germans would be either Poles, Czechs, Italians, Danes, French, etc.
So, how many generations would it take for someone until YOU psychotic loser
"generously" allow him to call himself part of an ethnicity, you dumb
psycho? <BG>
--
Retarded, subnormal and extremely proud of it: our resident psychopath, The
Retard (aka "The Rectum").
Retarded, subnormal and extremely proud of it: our resident psychopath, The
Retard (aka "The Rectum").
Eugene Holman
2011-11-11 18:58:25 UTC
<deletions>
thirty-second black? Applying your logic *mutatis mutandis* to Sweden, the
present Prime Minister, Fredrik Reinfeldt, cannot be a Swede because his
paternal great-great grandfather, John Hood, was an itinerant
African-American entertainer from New York, this making Reinfeldt 1/32
black and thus *not* "white all over". Much the same holds for Prince
Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, a desendant of Russian poet Alexander Pushkin,
whose maternal grandfather, Ibrahim Petrovich Hannibal, was a pure-blooded
Ethiopian.
What do you call a person, one of whose parents is a Russian or an
Armenian, who was born and raised in Estonia, speaks Estonian as his/her
first language. and self-identifies as an Estonian. What if one of the
parents was a Nigerian or Japanese? And what about the Estonian born and
raised children of such individuals?
Ethnicities, like races and languages, are man-made constructs, attempts
to classify into neat little peg holes the continuum of actual reality. As
man-made constructs they can be redefined as contingencies, real or
imagined, demand. Up until the Act of Union between England and Scotland
in 1707 English and Scots were regarded as related but distinct languages.
One of the conditions of the treaty was that the Scots normalization would
be abandoned, and Scots would be demoted to the status of dialect of
English. On the other hand, Swedish and Norwegian are about 95% mutually
comprehensible, yet they are regarded as distinct languages. In Germany,
Jews and Germans were long regarded as belonging to the same "race" until
1935 when the Nazis passed the Nuremberg Laws declaring Jews an alien,
non-Aryan race.
Estonian ethnicity. If the father absconds or is unknown, the child
iinherits DNA but no ethnicity from him. In actual fact the situation is
more complex.
Estonia is a small nation, with close to 40% of the population belonging
to more than 120, mostly Soviet-era, minorities. Since the
re-establishment of independence government policy has been to have as
many members of Soviet-era settler minorities as possible learn the
language, accept as much of the majority culture as they feel comfortable
with, and acquire Estonian citizenship. The Estonian-born children of such
people automatically acquire Estonian citizenship and learn Estonian at
school if they don't alredy speak it at home, as an increasing number of
them do. In time these people, no matter what their appearance, will do
the same thing that Swedish prime minister Fredrik Reinfeldt has done:
slightly redefine what it means to be an ethnic Swede or Estonian. That is
how man-made constructs such as ethnicity adapt to changing circumstances.
Let it be noted that about ten percent of the population of Sweden today
has some non-Swedish ancestry, with the percentage in Stockholm,
Gothenberg, and Malmö being much higher. This does not preclude these
people from self-identifying as Swedes, speaking Swedish with one another,
waving the Swedish flag, serving in the Swedish armed forces, or rooting
for Sweden in sports competitions. The same holds true, *mutatis
mutandis*, for Norway, Denmark, Finland, and Estonia.
he still maintains contacts with distant relatives on his mother's side in
Ireland. Are you in a position to deny him the Irish part of his heritage
on the basis of your assessment of his appearance?
heritage who have mastered Estonian, a language spoken by only 1,000,000
people, is at most a few hundred. When an Estonian meets someone who
speaks Estonian fluently, no matter what his or her appearance, his/her
first assumption is that the person in question is an Estonian, perhaps of
mixed ancestry, perhaps adopted and raised in Estonia. We, who speak
English natively, don't make such assumptions because, unlike Estonian,
which is spoken in one small country the size of New Jersey and nowhere
else, English is spoken all over the world. Anybody who speaks fluent,
idiomatic Estonian would be assumed to have the types deep and
long-lasting ties to Estonia that define Estonian ethnicity.
There are hundreds of non-white Estonians and a considerable proportion of
them are the offspring of the smaller previous generation of non-white
Estonians (there were non-white foreign students evem during the Soviet
period and some of them married or had children by Estonians). A
generation or two from now there will be thousands of Estonians with one
or more non-white ancestors.
Over,
Eugen Holman
Post by The Revd
No, it is not.
half-white.
Says who? And what about one quarter, one eighth, one sixteenth, or oneNo, it is not.
Post by Eugene Holman
There are a few hundred people with one black and one Estonian parent who
were born in Estonia, have Estonian as their native language, and are 100%
Estonian as concerns culture and behavior. Some are the products of mixed
marriages, some are the products of sexual contacts between Estonians and
foreigners in Estonia or abroad. Some were adopted by Estonian couples. A
few are foundlings. Being non-white, although rare, is not incompatible
with being ethnic Estonian. Indeed, what are you to call a person of any
racial background who was born, raised, and educated in Estonia, speaks
Estonian as his/her first or preferred language, and self-identifies as an
Estonian? If an Estonian-born and raised person with one Estonian and one
German, Russian, or Armenian parent can be regarded as an ethnic Estonian,
why should an Estonian-born and raised person with one Estonian and one
Somali, Kurdish, Zulu, or Indonesian parent not be?
Beacuse Estonian ethnicity demands being white. White all over. NotThere are a few hundred people with one black and one Estonian parent who
were born in Estonia, have Estonian as their native language, and are 100%
Estonian as concerns culture and behavior. Some are the products of mixed
marriages, some are the products of sexual contacts between Estonians and
foreigners in Estonia or abroad. Some were adopted by Estonian couples. A
few are foundlings. Being non-white, although rare, is not incompatible
with being ethnic Estonian. Indeed, what are you to call a person of any
racial background who was born, raised, and educated in Estonia, speaks
Estonian as his/her first or preferred language, and self-identifies as an
Estonian? If an Estonian-born and raised person with one Estonian and one
German, Russian, or Armenian parent can be regarded as an ethnic Estonian,
why should an Estonian-born and raised person with one Estonian and one
Somali, Kurdish, Zulu, or Indonesian parent not be?
half-white.
thirty-second black? Applying your logic *mutatis mutandis* to Sweden, the
present Prime Minister, Fredrik Reinfeldt, cannot be a Swede because his
paternal great-great grandfather, John Hood, was an itinerant
African-American entertainer from New York, this making Reinfeldt 1/32
black and thus *not* "white all over". Much the same holds for Prince
Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, a desendant of Russian poet Alexander Pushkin,
whose maternal grandfather, Ibrahim Petrovich Hannibal, was a pure-blooded
Ethiopian.
What do you call a person, one of whose parents is a Russian or an
Armenian, who was born and raised in Estonia, speaks Estonian as his/her
first language. and self-identifies as an Estonian. What if one of the
parents was a Nigerian or Japanese? And what about the Estonian born and
raised children of such individuals?
Ethnicities, like races and languages, are man-made constructs, attempts
to classify into neat little peg holes the continuum of actual reality. As
man-made constructs they can be redefined as contingencies, real or
imagined, demand. Up until the Act of Union between England and Scotland
in 1707 English and Scots were regarded as related but distinct languages.
One of the conditions of the treaty was that the Scots normalization would
be abandoned, and Scots would be demoted to the status of dialect of
English. On the other hand, Swedish and Norwegian are about 95% mutually
comprehensible, yet they are regarded as distinct languages. In Germany,
Jews and Germans were long regarded as belonging to the same "race" until
1935 when the Nazis passed the Nuremberg Laws declaring Jews an alien,
non-Aryan race.
Post by The Revd
naturalised Estonian do not acquire Estonian ethnicity. They inherit
the ethnicity of the parent(s).
And if one of their parents is Estonian, they certainly inherit somePost by Eugene Holman
five years residence in Estonia, demonstration of the ability to speak and
understand Estonian, and successful completion of a course and examination
on Estonian civics and history. For details, see
http://www.extrapassport.com/estonia-citizenship.
Acquiring Estonian citizenship by naturalization does not make a person an
ethnic Estonian, but it does allow Estonianness to be inherited by his or
her Estonian-born children, who would be regarded as ethnic Estonians.
You can't acquire ethnicity...any ethnicity. The children of aPost by The Revd
It is probably possible
to acquire Estonian citizenship if you pay enough to the right people,
though.
The procedue for acquring Estonian citizenship by naturalization requiresIt is probably possible
to acquire Estonian citizenship if you pay enough to the right people,
though.
five years residence in Estonia, demonstration of the ability to speak and
understand Estonian, and successful completion of a course and examination
on Estonian civics and history. For details, see
http://www.extrapassport.com/estonia-citizenship.
Acquiring Estonian citizenship by naturalization does not make a person an
ethnic Estonian, but it does allow Estonianness to be inherited by his or
her Estonian-born children, who would be regarded as ethnic Estonians.
naturalised Estonian do not acquire Estonian ethnicity. They inherit
the ethnicity of the parent(s).
Estonian ethnicity. If the father absconds or is unknown, the child
iinherits DNA but no ethnicity from him. In actual fact the situation is
more complex.
Estonia is a small nation, with close to 40% of the population belonging
to more than 120, mostly Soviet-era, minorities. Since the
re-establishment of independence government policy has been to have as
many members of Soviet-era settler minorities as possible learn the
language, accept as much of the majority culture as they feel comfortable
with, and acquire Estonian citizenship. The Estonian-born children of such
people automatically acquire Estonian citizenship and learn Estonian at
school if they don't alredy speak it at home, as an increasing number of
them do. In time these people, no matter what their appearance, will do
the same thing that Swedish prime minister Fredrik Reinfeldt has done:
slightly redefine what it means to be an ethnic Swede or Estonian. That is
how man-made constructs such as ethnicity adapt to changing circumstances.
Let it be noted that about ten percent of the population of Sweden today
has some non-Swedish ancestry, with the percentage in Stockholm,
Gothenberg, and Malmö being much higher. This does not preclude these
people from self-identifying as Swedes, speaking Swedish with one another,
waving the Swedish flag, serving in the Swedish armed forces, or rooting
for Sweden in sports competitions. The same holds true, *mutatis
mutandis*, for Norway, Denmark, Finland, and Estonia.
Post by The Revd
facial features at all.
So what. Half of his DNA is from his white mother. As we saw a while back,Post by Eugene Holman
Finnish MP Jani Toivola
(http://www.eduskunta.fi/triphome/bin/hex5000.sh?hnro=1114) proves you
wrong. Ethnicities are man-made constructs and thus subject to all the
indeterminacies that arise when such constructs are used as templates for
analyzing reality. Why is Barack Obama, who is just as much "white" as
"black", regarded by most people as being "black", despite his having been
raised in a "white" environment by his "white" mother and grandparents?
He looks more black than he does white. In fact, he has no whiteFinnish MP Jani Toivola
(http://www.eduskunta.fi/triphome/bin/hex5000.sh?hnro=1114) proves you
wrong. Ethnicities are man-made constructs and thus subject to all the
indeterminacies that arise when such constructs are used as templates for
analyzing reality. Why is Barack Obama, who is just as much "white" as
"black", regarded by most people as being "black", despite his having been
raised in a "white" environment by his "white" mother and grandparents?
facial features at all.
he still maintains contacts with distant relatives on his mother's side in
Ireland. Are you in a position to deny him the Irish part of his heritage
on the basis of your assessment of his appearance?
Post by The Revd
Consider it from this perspective. The number of people of non-EstoniaPost by Eugene Holman
Why is being an ethnic Estonian regarded as being more a function of being
able to speak the language and knowing the culture than it is of a
person's appearance?
It isn't.Why is being an ethnic Estonian regarded as being more a function of being
able to speak the language and knowing the culture than it is of a
person's appearance?
heritage who have mastered Estonian, a language spoken by only 1,000,000
people, is at most a few hundred. When an Estonian meets someone who
speaks Estonian fluently, no matter what his or her appearance, his/her
first assumption is that the person in question is an Estonian, perhaps of
mixed ancestry, perhaps adopted and raised in Estonia. We, who speak
English natively, don't make such assumptions because, unlike Estonian,
which is spoken in one small country the size of New Jersey and nowhere
else, English is spoken all over the world. Anybody who speaks fluent,
idiomatic Estonian would be assumed to have the types deep and
long-lasting ties to Estonia that define Estonian ethnicity.
There are hundreds of non-white Estonians and a considerable proportion of
them are the offspring of the smaller previous generation of non-white
Estonians (there were non-white foreign students evem during the Soviet
period and some of them married or had children by Estonians). A
generation or two from now there will be thousands of Estonians with one
or more non-white ancestors.
Over,
Eugen Holman
The Peeler
2011-11-10 18:42:49 UTC
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 08:21:04 -0500, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
be genetically inferior (though he way outsmarts you and is way better off
than you), instead of beating about the bush like that, The Rectum? That's
what all your idiotic "contribution" here is all about, innit, you poor
miserable psychopath?
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
Post by The Revd
Blithering idiot! <BG>Post by Eugene Holman
in what country, I learned to speak plain vanilla American English with no
discernable African-American or New York accent (I can do both, if
needed).
You mean you only occasionally say "aks" instead of "ask"?in what country, I learned to speak plain vanilla American English with no
discernable African-American or New York accent (I can do both, if
needed).
Post by The Revd
LOL
LOL! Blithering idiot! Why don't you just tell him that you consider him toPost by Eugene Holman
Have you ever seen the movie *Dr Strangelove*? Did you even realize that
the upper-class British-speakin Capt. Lionel Mandrake and the midwestern
American-English speaking President Merkin Muffly, not to mention the
German-accented English-speaking Dr Strangelove, were all performed by
Peter Sellers? Some people have a sharp ear for accentual and intonational
differences, and can control their organs of speech in the manner
necessary to produce the bases of articuation, sounds, sandhi, tessitura,
rhythm, melodic patterns, and patterns of assimilation associated with
specific languages and accents.
You're not even white and you think the Estonians see you as a local?Have you ever seen the movie *Dr Strangelove*? Did you even realize that
the upper-class British-speakin Capt. Lionel Mandrake and the midwestern
American-English speaking President Merkin Muffly, not to mention the
German-accented English-speaking Dr Strangelove, were all performed by
Peter Sellers? Some people have a sharp ear for accentual and intonational
differences, and can control their organs of speech in the manner
necessary to produce the bases of articuation, sounds, sandhi, tessitura,
rhythm, melodic patterns, and patterns of assimilation associated with
specific languages and accents.
LOL
be genetically inferior (though he way outsmarts you and is way better off
than you), instead of beating about the bush like that, The Rectum? That's
what all your idiotic "contribution" here is all about, innit, you poor
miserable psychopath?
--
Retarded, subnormal and extremely proud of it: our resident psychopath, The
Retard (aka "The Rectum").
Retarded, subnormal and extremely proud of it: our resident psychopath, The
Retard (aka "The Rectum").
The Peeler
2011-11-09 12:10:26 UTC
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 05:06:21 -0500, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
Post by The Revd
You still haven't grasped the concept of "percentage", eh, psycho? LOL!Post by Eugene Holman
Actually, tipping between 10 and 20 for services is quite the norm in
Estonia. Unlike most Western European countries, Estonian restaurants,
beauty parlors, barber shops, etc. have no automatic service charge. Cash
register receipts and restaurant checks have "Arve ei sisalda teenistust"
= 'The bill/check does not include service') prominently printed on them.
How can an Estonian making less than 800 a month afford a 20% tip?Actually, tipping between 10 and 20 for services is quite the norm in
Estonia. Unlike most Western European countries, Estonian restaurants,
beauty parlors, barber shops, etc. have no automatic service charge. Cash
register receipts and restaurant checks have "Arve ei sisalda teenistust"
= 'The bill/check does not include service') prominently printed on them.
--
Retarded, subnormal and extremely proud of it: our resident psychopath, The
Retard (aka "The Rectum").
Retarded, subnormal and extremely proud of it: our resident psychopath, The
Retard (aka "The Rectum").
The Peeler
2011-11-08 12:21:07 UTC
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:08:22 +0100, Dumb Heini, the Dutch resident Nazi troll
Post by Eugene Holman
They did indeed. A regular customer who tips 20%.
Over,
Eugen Holman
tipping 20 percent? that makes you an idiot holman
YOU calling someone else an "idiot"? YOUUUUUU? LMAO!They did indeed. A regular customer who tips 20%.
Over,
Eugen Holman
tipping 20 percent? that makes you an idiot holman
--
Dumb Dutch Nazi Heini about his passion for sheep:
"I like sheep, it is the look in their eyes which attracks me and the sound
they make BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH
!!!!!!!!!!!"
MID: <4deca3fe$0$24794$***@news.tweakdsl.nl>
Dumb Dutch Nazi Heini about his passion for sheep:
"I like sheep, it is the look in their eyes which attracks me and the sound
they make BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH
!!!!!!!!!!!"
MID: <4deca3fe$0$24794$***@news.tweakdsl.nl>
The Revd
2011-11-08 10:48:15 UTC
Post by Eugene Holman
<deletions>
A sure giveway that you're a tourist.<deletions>
Post by The Revd
They did indeed. A regular customer who tips 20%.Post by Eugene Holman
Tallinn is a cosmopolitan city with many diplomats and immigrants, both
from other parts of Estonia and abroad, who have settled and are thus
locals. Since I have been using the same barber shop on a regular basis
for more than ten years there is no reason for the staff to regard me as
anything but either a local or a very frequent visitor. Since I speak both
local languages, their most likely hypothesis is that I live there.
You may think so, Holstein, but they don't. They saw you coming!Tallinn is a cosmopolitan city with many diplomats and immigrants, both
from other parts of Estonia and abroad, who have settled and are thus
locals. Since I have been using the same barber shop on a regular basis
for more than ten years there is no reason for the staff to regard me as
anything but either a local or a very frequent visitor. Since I speak both
local languages, their most likely hypothesis is that I live there.
The Peeler
2011-11-08 12:32:09 UTC
On Tue, 08 Nov 2011 05:48:15 -0500, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
yourself, you endlessly babbling idiot and psycho? <BG>
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
Post by The Revd
So, why don't you simply ask his barber before continuing to make an ass ofPost by Eugene Holman
They did indeed. A regular customer who tips 20%.
A sure giveway that you're a tourist.They did indeed. A regular customer who tips 20%.
yourself, you endlessly babbling idiot and psycho? <BG>
--
Retarded, subnormal and extremely proud of it: our resident psychopath, The
Retard (aka "The Rectum").
Retarded, subnormal and extremely proud of it: our resident psychopath, The
Retard (aka "The Rectum").
b***@yahoo.ca
2011-11-07 21:01:10 UTC
The Revd <***@degenerate.Grik>
Did you beat off & did you cum all over yourself?
\\Y//
^
( )
I I
oI Io
Did you beat off & did you cum all over yourself?
\\Y//
^
( )
I I
oI Io
The Revd
2011-11-07 21:29:28 UTC
With that, you couldn't possibly beat off, B'rissy B'rissy!
The Peeler
2011-11-07 22:02:03 UTC
On Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:29:28 -0500, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
You only got your asshole to "beat off" with, right, The Rectum? LOL
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
You only got your asshole to "beat off" with, right, The Rectum? LOL
--
The Rectum lamenting his fate:
"Your hands are no use to you without a dick"
MID: <***@4ax.com>
The Rectum lamenting his fate:
"Your hands are no use to you without a dick"
MID: <***@4ax.com>
NoSpamAtAll
2011-11-11 09:41:00 UTC
I've had a bad day. Heinrich's rectum really stunk
and was full of stone hard chunks!
The dildo broke again?and was full of stone hard chunks!
Heinrich
2011-11-11 10:12:58 UTC
I've had a bad day. Heinrich's rectum really stunk
and was full of stone hard chunks!
The dildo broke again?and was full of stone hard chunks!
get stuffed you imbecilic foreigner
The Peeler
2011-11-11 11:02:48 UTC
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:12:58 +0100, Dumb Heini, the Dutch resident Nazi
Awww, did your Rectum get attacked again, Dumb Heini?
Dumb Nazi Heini never lets anyone come in between him and his Rectum! Yuck!
Awww, did your Rectum get attacked again, Dumb Heini?
Dumb Nazi Heini never lets anyone come in between him and his Rectum! Yuck!
--
Dumb Dutch Nazi Heini's motto: "to suck rectum or not to suck rectum that is
the question"
MID: <4db7abbb$0$24816$***@news.tweakdsl.nl>
Dumb Dutch Nazi Heini's motto: "to suck rectum or not to suck rectum that is
the question"
MID: <4db7abbb$0$24816$***@news.tweakdsl.nl>
NoSpamAtAll
2011-11-11 11:17:55 UTC
Good morning my friend. Sorry to see you're so
upset. Kill any dogs lately?
upset. Kill any dogs lately?
Heinrich
2011-11-11 11:22:11 UTC
Good morning my friend. Sorry to see you're so
upset. Kill any dogs lately?
it is 20 m after twelve o clock so it is afternoon you dombo. I am going to
a wedding this afternoon so a good o pportunity to drink and try to forget
you idiot replies. did you think of commiting harakiri lately?
upset. Kill any dogs lately?
it is 20 m after twelve o clock so it is afternoon you dombo. I am going to
a wedding this afternoon so a good o pportunity to drink and try to forget
you idiot replies. did you think of commiting harakiri lately?
The Peeler
2011-11-11 11:28:53 UTC
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:22:11 +0100, Dumb Heini, the Dutch resident Nazi
your sister marrying your grandfather? ...and do they allow you to bring
your sheep with you, Dumb Dutch Nazi Heini, you sick sheep shagger?
DDNH's true love:
Loading Image...
/
Post by NoSpamAtAll
Good morning my friend. Sorry to see you're so
upset. Kill any dogs lately?
it is 20 m after twelve o clock so it is afternoon you dombo. I am going to
a wedding this afternoon so a good o pportunity to drink and try to forget
you idiot replies. did you think of commiting harakiri lately?
What sort of idiots would invite a subnormal idiot like you to a wedding? IsGood morning my friend. Sorry to see you're so
upset. Kill any dogs lately?
it is 20 m after twelve o clock so it is afternoon you dombo. I am going to
a wedding this afternoon so a good o pportunity to drink and try to forget
you idiot replies. did you think of commiting harakiri lately?
your sister marrying your grandfather? ...and do they allow you to bring
your sheep with you, Dumb Dutch Nazi Heini, you sick sheep shagger?
DDNH's true love:
Loading Image...
/--
Dumb Dutch Nazi Heini about his dumb sister in law:
"MY SISTER IN LAW BOOKED A FLIGHT TO JOHANNESBURG THROUGH IBERIA. IT WAS A
HELL OF A FLIGHT.NOBODY TOLD HER ABOUT THE TIME DDIFFERENCE IN SOUTH AFRICA
SO SHE MISSED HER CONNECTING FLIGHT TO CAPE TOWN. NEXTT TIME SHE GOES WITH
BRITISH AIRWAYS AGAIN BECAUSE THE ENLISH HAVE NEWER PLANES AND BETTER
SERVICE" MID:<4e4688a2$0$22677$***@news.tweakdsl.nl>
Dumb Dutch Nazi Heini about his dumb sister in law:
"MY SISTER IN LAW BOOKED A FLIGHT TO JOHANNESBURG THROUGH IBERIA. IT WAS A
HELL OF A FLIGHT.NOBODY TOLD HER ABOUT THE TIME DDIFFERENCE IN SOUTH AFRICA
SO SHE MISSED HER CONNECTING FLIGHT TO CAPE TOWN. NEXTT TIME SHE GOES WITH
BRITISH AIRWAYS AGAIN BECAUSE THE ENLISH HAVE NEWER PLANES AND BETTER
SERVICE" MID:<4e4688a2$0$22677$***@news.tweakdsl.nl>
NoSpamAtAll
2011-11-11 11:29:21 UTC
I am going to a wedding this afternoon so a good o pportunity to
drink
Seems you already drank enough this morning, dutch pig.drink
The Peeler
2011-11-11 11:33:39 UTC
I suppose his latest thread about "sperm" excited him so much that he will
spend the afternoon jerking off (hence his sudden invitation to a
"marriage")! <BG>
spend the afternoon jerking off (hence his sudden invitation to a
"marriage")! <BG>
NEMO
2011-11-12 04:34:16 UTC
NoSpamAtAll, I'm just sorry to see that Heinrich is still alive -
maybe the fuckers liver will give out one of these days!
maybe the fuckers liver will give out one of these days!
J***@rhosos.net
2011-11-12 04:40:02 UTC
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:34:16 -0800 (PST), NEMO
Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic
language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.
Sorry? Probably true. Modern Day Jews are NOT Semitic people. 15%
is far too low.
Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic
language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.
Sorry? Probably true. Modern Day Jews are NOT Semitic people. 15%
is far too low.
_ G O D _
2011-11-12 05:05:47 UTC
Post by J***@rhosos.net
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:34:16 -0800 (PST), NEMO
. Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
. Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic
language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.
Sorry? Probably true. Modern Day Jews are NOT Semitic people. 15%
is far too low.
This bogus number was likely sucked out fromOn Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:34:16 -0800 (PST), NEMO
. Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
. Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic
language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.
Sorry? Probably true. Modern Day Jews are NOT Semitic people. 15%
is far too low.
a cock, by some COck-sucking semitist retard....
--
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http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml
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and other beneficiaries of the institutionalized slavery and genocide.
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"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive
Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
helps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, it
reminds them of their responsibility." ~~~~ Author Unknown ~~~~
___________________________________________________
--
s***@mine.kit
2011-11-12 18:09:14 UTC
Post by _ G O D _
a cock, by some COck-sucking semitist retard....
--
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There is no correlation between semitics and sex unless the mind ofPost by J***@rhosos.net
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:34:16 -0800 (PST), NEMO
. Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
. Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic
language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.
Sorry? Probably true. Modern Day Jews are NOT Semitic people. 15%
is far too low.
This bogus number was likely sucked out fromOn Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:34:16 -0800 (PST), NEMO
. Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
. Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic
language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.
Sorry? Probably true. Modern Day Jews are NOT Semitic people. 15%
is far too low.
a cock, by some COck-sucking semitist retard....
--
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http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml
I intend to last long enough to put out of business all COck-suckers
and other beneficiaries of the institutionalized slavery and genocide.
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the correlator is warped. This applies to you:
http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/
_ G O D _
2011-11-12 19:57:30 UTC
Post by _ G O D _
a cock, by some COck-sucking semitist retard....
There is no correlation between semitics and sex....Post by J***@rhosos.net
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:34:16 -0800 (PST), NEMO
. Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
. Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic
language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.
Sorry? Probably true. Modern Day Jews are NOT Semitic people. 15%
is far too low.
This bogus number was likely sucked out fromOn Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:34:16 -0800 (PST), NEMO
. Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
. Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic
language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.
Sorry? Probably true. Modern Day Jews are NOT Semitic people. 15%
is far too low.
a cock, by some COck-sucking semitist retard....
mental deficiency of the COck-sucking sectarian,
retards, then where exactly they got this number?
Were you the one came up with the bogus claim?
--
_____________________________________________________
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml
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and other beneficiaries of the institutionalized slavery and genocide.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive
Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
helps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, it
reminds them of their responsibility." ~~~~ Author Unknown ~~~~
___________________________________________________
--
NEMO
2011-11-12 23:17:25 UTC
So, cocksucker _ G O D _, how's business?
_ G O D _
2011-11-13 06:39:32 UTC
So, cocksucker....
Said by most notorious COck-suckingretard in entire usenet and in the world....
LOL, COck-sucking NEMO/CUNTICA!
Is it your feeble attempt to project your
obvious love of dicks on others, or just
admiting to being a sectarian imbecile
who came up with such bogus claims?
--
_____________________________________________________
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml
I intend to last long enough to put out of business all COck-suckers
and other beneficiaries of the institutionalized slavery and genocide.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive
Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
helps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, it
reminds them of their responsibility." ~~~~ Author Unknown ~~~~
___________________________________________________
--
Heinrich
2011-11-04 13:02:41 UTC
Post by Eugene Holman
<deletion>
It takes one to know one, Hundsfott.
I did that last week. I got my hair cut in Tallinn for ¤5.00.
<deletions>
Over,
Eugene Holman
in dutch it is hondsvot and for your haircut: cheap bastard<deletion>
It takes one to know one, Hundsfott.
I did that last week. I got my hair cut in Tallinn for ¤5.00.
<deletions>
Over,
Eugene Holman
The Peeler
2011-11-04 13:14:39 UTC
On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:02:41 +0100, Dumb Heini, the Dutch resident Nazi troll
Somehow your new name "Hundsfott" just fits, Dumb Heini! You prefer the
Dutch or the German version, dog drip? LOL
Somehow your new name "Hundsfott" just fits, Dumb Heini! You prefer the
Dutch or the German version, dog drip? LOL
--
Dumb Dutch Nazi Heini about his wacky family:
"I did not have the time to suck rectrums was too busy bringing my wife and
daughter to the airport because they are going to spend a few days in egypt"
MID: <4dfef56e$0$19379$***@news.tweakdsl.nl>
Dumb Dutch Nazi Heini about his wacky family:
"I did not have the time to suck rectrums was too busy bringing my wife and
daughter to the airport because they are going to spend a few days in egypt"
MID: <4dfef56e$0$19379$***@news.tweakdsl.nl>
Eugene Holman
2011-11-04 13:48:52 UTC
Post by Heinrich
I guess it is, if you want to get all caninely anatomical about it. ButPost by Eugene Holman
<deletion>
It takes one to know one, Hundsfott.
I did that last week. I got my hair cut in Tallinn for €5.00.
<deletions>
Over,
Eugene Holman
in dutch it is hondsvot<deletion>
It takes one to know one, Hundsfott.
I did that last week. I got my hair cut in Tallinn for €5.00.
<deletions>
Over,
Eugene Holman
since you are posting from a .de address, I thought I would pull out the
Hochdeutsch for a change.
You're just jealous. In central Helsinki a man's haircut costs 15 to 20
euros. It costs €27 for a day trip to Tallinn (90 minutes each way;
Schengen area, so no time-consuming passport or customs inspections). When
in Tallinn you pick up a few bottles of wine or booze (about half the
price there that they cost in Helsinki), eat a meal at a good restaurant
(braised duck breast, cherry sauce, ratatouille, and wild rice + 16cl
Riesling for € 14), and you have made an overall profit.
Over,
Eugene Holman
_ G O D _
2011-11-04 17:10:15 UTC
Post by Eugene Holman
You're just jealous. In central Helsinki a man's haircut costs 15 to 20
euros. It costs ╓27 for a day trip to Tallinn (90 minutes each way;
Schengen area, so no time-consuming passport or customs inspections). When
in Tallinn you pick up a few bottles of wine or booze (about half the
price there that they cost in Helsinki), eat a meal at a good restaurant
(braised duck breast, cherry sauce, ratatouille, and wild rice + 16cl
Riesling for ╓ 14), and you have made an overall profit.
Holman, let me educate you, that in such case,You're just jealous. In central Helsinki a man's haircut costs 15 to 20
euros. It costs ╓27 for a day trip to Tallinn (90 minutes each way;
Schengen area, so no time-consuming passport or customs inspections). When
in Tallinn you pick up a few bottles of wine or booze (about half the
price there that they cost in Helsinki), eat a meal at a good restaurant
(braised duck breast, cherry sauce, ratatouille, and wild rice + 16cl
Riesling for ╓ 14), and you have made an overall profit.
your spent money is a loss, rather than a profit.
To make a profit, you need to get more money
at the end of transactions than you started with....
--
_____________________________________________________
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml
I intend to last long enough to put out of business all COck-suckers
and other beneficiaries of the institutionalized slavery and genocide.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive
Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
helps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, it
reminds them of their responsibility." ~~~~ Author Unknown ~~~~
___________________________________________________
--
Heinrich
2011-11-04 17:34:51 UTC
Post by Eugene Holman
since you are posting from a .de address, I thought I would pull out the
Hochdeutsch for a change.
You're just jealous. In central Helsinki a man's haircut costs 15 to 20
euros. It costs ¤27 for a day trip to Tallinn (90 minutes each way;
Schengen area, so no time-consuming passport or customs inspections). When
in Tallinn you pick up a few bottles of wine or booze (about half the
price there that they cost in Helsinki), eat a meal at a good restaurant
(braised duck breast, cherry sauce, ratatouille, and wild rice + 16cl
Riesling for ¤ 14), and you have made an overall profit.
Over,
Eugene Holman
finnish rates are cheap here in holland it is 30 euros. old people go to aPost by Heinrich
I guess it is, if you want to get all caninely anatomical about it. ButPost by Eugene Holman
<deletion>
It takes one to know one, Hundsfott.
I did that last week. I got my hair cut in Tallinn for ¤5.00.
<deletions>
Over,
Eugene Holman
in dutch it is hondsvot<deletion>
It takes one to know one, Hundsfott.
I did that last week. I got my hair cut in Tallinn for ¤5.00.
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Over,
Eugene Holman
since you are posting from a .de address, I thought I would pull out the
Hochdeutsch for a change.
You're just jealous. In central Helsinki a man's haircut costs 15 to 20
euros. It costs ¤27 for a day trip to Tallinn (90 minutes each way;
Schengen area, so no time-consuming passport or customs inspections). When
in Tallinn you pick up a few bottles of wine or booze (about half the
price there that they cost in Helsinki), eat a meal at a good restaurant
(braised duck breast, cherry sauce, ratatouille, and wild rice + 16cl
Riesling for ¤ 14), and you have made an overall profit.
Over,
Eugene Holman
much cheaper barber where they pay 15 euros. the turks are even more cheaper
but they ruin your hair
_ G O D _
2011-11-04 18:00:47 UTC
Post by Heinrich
If the price is concern, then for a couple of bucksIn central Helsinki a man's haircut costs 15 to 20 euros.
finnish rates are cheap here in holland it is 30 euros.you can get a clipper and save your momen and
time by doing it yourslef - if you fell it's necessary....
Georgia Plotters Belonged to Racist, Judophobic Group....
Huffington
...Georgia Militia is one of the hardest line such groups
around, going far beyond militias' hatred of the federal
government to traffic in open racism and judophobia. On
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Judophobic sentiment by Occupy Wall Street is troubling
Tulsa
Goebbels began institution of judophobic laws that
were intended to remove the Jews from the German
economy. Sadly, there was little resistance to the
treatment of the Jews from the German population....
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Diamondback ad prompts student group formation....
Diamondback
Muslim Arab judophobia for the Facts and Logic About
Middle East organization ran on page three, prompting
students to form a group called End Hate Speech at UMD.
Yesterday afternoon, two students from the....
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Odd Future's Big Day Out invite revoked....
by Daniel Goldhagen
Anyone who has even a passing familiarity with public discourse
about Jews in United Kingdom can be forgiven for viewing the
term "British philo-Semitism" as an oxymoron. But, as the eminent
historian Gertrude Himmelfarb shows in her brief book....
<http://hnn.us/roundup/archives/11/201111>
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Upper Saddle River experiences judophobia....
North Jersey
by JOHN CLYDE
An unknown person spray painted green judophobic
lettering on Upper Saddle River streets that connect
to Union Avenue and mailboxes at night. Upper Saddle
River experienced a version of 'Goosey Night'....
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Anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism now one and same: iLIVE
Times LIVE
In recent years there has been a growing output of anti-American
propaganda, so that anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism are now intertwined
in the minds of many Arabs. This is the poisoned soil from which suicide
bombers and al-Qaeda have sprung. ...
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Mixed news for the Jews in Europe....
Jerusalem
.... The root cause is always some kind of judophobia, even
if it's veiled behind animal rights or child welfare," he said.
Such campaigns are political statements and their message
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A pertinent priest....
Very often the Haredim complain about what they call judophobia
by secular society. There is some truth to this. There are indeed
cases in which the attitude toward the ultra-Orthodox is reminiscent
of judophobia. It's a shame only that, ...
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Lies Is Lies: The Organized Smear Campaign Against OWS
As the hard Right flails to find a message that delegitimizes
OWS allegations of judophobia could almost have been
predicted. In this case, a lot of original focus was placed on
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An exercise in humility: fifty years of journalism's lesser angels
Columbia
It is a concentrated dose of every journalistic sin imaginable,
and some that defy imagination: plagiarism, laziness, racism,
sexism, homophobia, judophobia, hypocrisy, photo manipulation,
staged news, stupidity, bad taste, collaborating with law ...
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PARINOV v. ATTORNEY GENERAL OF U.S.
At the hearing, both Parinova and her husband testified about
their experiences, describing the rampant judophobia, and the
acquiescence and even participation of the Government in such
behavior. With respect to their claims of persecution ...
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The Peeler
2011-11-04 18:41:01 UTC
On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:34:51 +0100, Dumb Heini, the Dutch resident Nazi troll
cut from your nurse in your old people's home. <BG>
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Excerpts from Dumb Dutch Heini's unbelevbalbe vobcaburally:
kickihnbg (take a guess!)
eundereducaatged (Look who's talking about "undereducated"! LOL)
shjuit (shit? shut? LOL)
heionrich (his own name!!! LOL)
anothernbeville (no idea, LOL)
unbelevbalbe (unbelievable)
illeterate (illiterate) <--- my favourite!!!
res[popnsible (responsible)
tropubles (troubles)
unbeaable (unbearable)
compaire3d (compared)
cpontrolof (take a guess! LOL)
tomroor (tomorrow?)
anniliatyed (annihilated)
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getting updated constantly...
Post by Heinrich
finnish rates are cheap here in holland it is 30 euros. old people go to a
much cheaper barber where they pay 15 euros. the turks are even more cheaper
but they ruin your hair
Shouldn't worry you, Dumb Heini, as long as you senile idiot get a free hairfinnish rates are cheap here in holland it is 30 euros. old people go to a
much cheaper barber where they pay 15 euros. the turks are even more cheaper
but they ruin your hair
cut from your nurse in your old people's home. <BG>
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Excerpts from Dumb Dutch Heini's unbelevbalbe vobcaburally:
kickihnbg (take a guess!)
eundereducaatged (Look who's talking about "undereducated"! LOL)
shjuit (shit? shut? LOL)
heionrich (his own name!!! LOL)
anothernbeville (no idea, LOL)
unbelevbalbe (unbelievable)
illeterate (illiterate) <--- my favourite!!!
res[popnsible (responsible)
tropubles (troubles)
unbeaable (unbearable)
compaire3d (compared)
cpontrolof (take a guess! LOL)
tomroor (tomorrow?)
anniliatyed (annihilated)
tie (time)
thewy (no idea LOL)
alkthouygh (although)
vocitory (victory)
d0onot (don't ?)
lisyten (listen)
thaen (then)
rep0ly (reply)
wjho (who)
wheb (when)
si8nce (since)
p9olice (police)
trill (thrill)
gwetting (getting)
weel (well)
bext (next)
mnayor (mayor)
getting updated constantly...