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What is going on in Hong Kong?
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Byker
2019-06-20 23:16:16 UTC
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Hong Kong people are infantilized. They are lucky to be under a mostly
Chinese government. So they still have the leisure to march.
In contrast, desperate Americans have time to die but don't have time to
organize and/or join protest marches. Hong Kong has a million people
march. The US has a million people silently protesting with their untimely
death. One million desperation deaths over the last 10 years. Expected to
increase to 2 million in the coming ten years. Free speech meaning NOTHING
when people refuse to hear.
Beijing can afford to play fast and loose with the lives of millions of
young unmarried men, the end result of their "one-child" policy.

In recent decades, Americans -- and the policymakers sending American troops
to war -- have also displayed an ever-decreasing tolerance toward losing
American lives in combat. The impact of this aversion to casualties is
self-evident: Military planners now rule out entire categories of operations
because of their risk to military personnel, while politicians speak less
and less of victory and more and more of protecting troops. The Chinese are
well aware of this. Most of their leadership, in offline conversations, like
to quip that they have millions of "surplus" single males ready to die for
their country...
Byker
2019-06-21 01:19:40 UTC
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"in offline conversations, like to quip that they have millions of
"surplus" single males ready to die for their country..."
Examples please.
"Destined for War: Can America and China Escape Thucydides's Trap?"
by Graham Allison

https://www.amazon.com/Destined-War-America-Escape-Thucydidess-ebook/dp/B01IAS9FZY

P. 162, top paragraph: https://tinyurl.com/y4keor3d

Also by the same author:
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/09/united-states-china-war-thucydides-trap/406756/

No matter how hard Allison tries to prove otherwise, based on past history,
the future isn't very bright.

The Greeks 2,400 years ago knew what happens when a rising power rivals a
ruling power: "It was the rise of Athens, and the fear that this instilled
in Sparta, that made war inevitable." When a rising power threatens to
displace a ruling power, it rarely ends well.

An up-and-coming Germany vs. imperial Britain = WWI

Japanese imperial expansion vs. United States = WWII

"In 12 of 16 past cases in which a rising power has confronted a ruling
power, the result has been bloodshed."
https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/thucydides-trap-are-us-and-china-headed-war



https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/09/the-thucydides-trap/
Byker
2019-06-27 15:58:27 UTC
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The book of those were not facts but were mere sly of innuendoes and butts
of suggestive disparaging whispers of allusion and aspersion that worked
obliquely of denigrating and or a derogatory nature on the Chinese that
explained the author was a White in his writing writhing to denigrate
Chinese and China with his stinging hint of insinuation and intimidation
on them with a metaphorically figure of speech. He should be downgraded
and ignored for his unsupported venoms.
Read the book and then get back with me...

Andrew Swallow
2019-06-21 14:02:17 UTC
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Post by Byker
Beijing can afford to play fast and loose with the lives of millions of
young unmarried men, the end result of their "one-child" policy.
In recent decades, Americans -- and the policymakers sending American troops
to war -- have also displayed an ever-decreasing tolerance toward losing
American lives in combat. The impact of this aversion to casualties is
self-evident: Military planners now rule out entire categories of operations
because of their risk to military personnel, while politicians speak less
and less of victory and more and more of protecting troops. The Chinese are
well aware of this. Most of their leadership, in offline conversations, like
to quip that they have millions of "surplus" single males ready to die for
their country...
The Central Committee may think the males are surplus but the families
think he is the only son. Very destabilising.
Byker
2019-06-27 15:58:21 UTC
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Are you sure your information is up to date?
What you list above may be true during the Vietnam war era but it is no
longer true.
See below.
There are indeed a lot of minorities in the US military because it is real
equal opportunity organization. But most minorities had joined the
military decades earlier and they are now having desk jobs inside cushy
offices. In contrast, the large majority of men and women likely to see
battles are white from Texas and Bible belt states.
Admit it: Rural America is POOR America.

Thirty years after the fall of Saigon, as the late Joe Bageant put it:

"Lynndie England never had a chance. Abu Ghraib, or maybe something even
worse (an RPG up the shorts, for instance) was always her destiny. Nearly
half of the 800 Americans killed in Iraq to date came from small towns like
hers, like mine. Forty-six percent of the American dead in Iraq came from
towns of less than 40,000. Yet these towns make up only 25% of our
population. Most of the young soldiers were fleeing economically depressed
places, or dead end jobs like Lynndie had at the chicken processing plant.
These so-called volunteers are part of this nation’s de facto draft—economic
conscription. Money is always the best whip to use on the laboring classes.
Thirteen hundred a month, a signing bonus and free room and board sure beats
the hell out of yanking guts through a chicken’s ass.":
https://www.counterpunch.org/2004/06/12/military-conscription-is-alive-and-well-in-the-dominion-of-the-whip/

"Most disturbingly, the Iraq War, despite all the noise, is at this writing
in 2006 a distant thing that occasionally spits a coffin in our direction
containing some local working-class son or daughter. The flag-draped box is
shown on the front page of the local paper, everyone salutes and remarks on
how sad it is, but really nobody but the soldier’s family and church gives a
hoot. They really don’t. You can see it in their eyes. The new Washington
Nationals baseball franchise over in D.C. gets far, far more discussion than
the war, dead locals or no dead locals. It is one of the hologram’s biggest
media myths that small towns are thrown into deep mourning when one of their
young is killed in Iraq. There was a time when that would have been true,
but long ago our lives were numbed by the money grind and by the
birth-to-death drenching in marketing and messages and sports spectacle, by
the complete absence of genuine public questioning of the notion that
America is the best nation on earth, superior in all things and therefore
unassailable.": https://tinyurl.com/y3zyoo5m
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